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LauraGigs:
--- Quote ---How he stand on a woman's right to chose - important The entire abortion issue needs rethinking. The so-called right to choose without any measurements is antiquated.
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Who said anything about "without any measurements"?
In any case, lack of choice for women is the thing that's antiquated. As is the lack of birth control funding, lack of overseas family planning aid, and flat-earth-style Abstinence-Only "Education".
Tell me: what tends to happen with the "entitlement crisis" when thousands of ill-prepared people have unwanted children?
[this may seem OT but it's pertinent, since if McCain (whom I respect) is elected, we will have more conservatives on the SCOTUS — and the right to choose will be in mortal danger.]
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on May 23, 2008, 05:27:01 pm ---
In any case, lack of choice for women is the thing that's antiquated.
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Clearly, we are not living in the same country. Unlimited choices for women have been overwhelmingly guaranteed since RoevWade. So, the statement that choices are lacking for women relative to child bearing and abortion reflects a gross unawareness of the current legal choices available.
LauraGigs:
Kaiser, what I meant by 'antiquated' was the idea that choice for women should be rolled back. And yes, there are many restrictions on abortion depending on where you live (3rd- or 2nd-trimester bans, parental consent requirements, 'cooling-off' periods, etc.)
I don't think I have to tell you that if it were men and boys getting pregnant, the law wouldn't be talking down to them the way it historically has to women. (A comedian once said that if men needed abortions, there would be clinics all over with scantily-dressed nurses cooing, "local or general?") On the serious side, though, whether or not to have an abortion is an extremely weighty, serious decision and I don't know that I could ever do that. What I question is who has a right to legislate on the issue and make that decision for everyone.
Any classical small-government conservative (who also questions the right to legislate against gun ownership) should be able to relate to that.
jstephens9:
I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression of where I stand on social and moral issues. I do not think that the government should interfere with the rights of the people. Social and moral issues should not be decided by the government or the church. It is simply not any of their business. People should be free in their choices as long as these choices are not harming other people. I am definitely for the rights of women, the rights of gays, etc. I am a Democrat and I am a liberal. I always have been since I was a child. Not being for Obama does not change that. It may very well be that I don't vote for anyone if Obama does get the nomination. I do have my issues with McCain and as I have said before I have never voted or been for a Republican candidate for president. I truly wish that the Democrats could have given us more and better choices.
injest:
--- Quote from: LauraGigs on May 24, 2008, 11:52:58 am ---Kaiser, what I meant by 'antiquated' was the idea that choice for women should be rolled back. And yes, there are many restrictions on abortion depending on where you live (3rd- or 2nd-trimester bans, parental consent requirements, 'cooling-off' periods, etc.)
I don't think I have to tell you that if it were men and boys getting pregnant, the law wouldn't be talking down to them the way it historically has to women. (A comedian once said that if men needed abortions, there would be clinics all over with scantily-dressed nurses cooing, "local or general?") On the serious side, though, whether or not to have an abortion is an extremely weighty, serious decision and I don't know that I could ever do that. What I question is who has a right to legislate on the issue and make that decision for everyone.
Any classical small-government conservative (who also questions the right to legislate against gun ownership) should be able to relate to that.
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I get tickled everytime I hear one of the talk show conservatives wailing "I want GOVERNMENT OUT OF MY LIFE!!"
How much FURTHER could they GET into your life than telling you who you can sleep with and whether or not you have a baby?
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