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My sexual orientation and my positions on gay rights
Wayne:
--- Quote from: letxa2000 on September 23, 2008, 10:59:27 am ---garbage
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Very nice. ;)
Letxa you still haven't addressed the first issue in the title of this thread: What is your sexual orientation?
Wayne:
--- Quote from: letxa2000 on September 23, 2008, 11:10:32 am ---Apparently because we disagree on gay marriage that automatically means I'm wrong about everything.
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optom3:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on September 23, 2008, 01:33:52 pm ---Not sure how this comment lends itself to the gay marriage debate.
No one suggests that the variety of cultures and religions across the earth have a large spectrum of mating and family structures. So what? That does not mean citizens of the U.S. or any other country should, therefore, adopt any or all of those varieties as part of their own social structure, any more than we would find slavery, child abuse, and other 'globally' accepted practices as worthy of inclusion to our set of values.
There are already citizens of those cultures living in the USA and across most of Europe. So it does matter.Those citizens have not been told,your marriage does not fit with our model so sorry we will not recognise it.Like it or not, the institution of marriage in many different forms already exists here in the USA.
All I was trying to say and maybe I did not articulate my thoughts very well, was why treat a gay marriage any differently.
It is hypocritical, IMO to recognise the polygamous marriages of some faiths, and have them entitled to the same rights as any other US citizen, yet deny gays those same rights.
How can you argue that marriage is one man one woman, period, when there are so many faiths living here, where one man, 4 women is tolerated. Or is there some dual standard here that I am unaware of.
If you are going to state that the only permissable marriage is, the one man,one woman, situation.Then you have to deny the rights of all who do not fit that model.Many of whom are already living here as U.S citizens.
It strikes me that a lot of the arguments here, are not about the only marriage that can be recognised is the man/woman one.Other types of marriage already exist,in the U.S. So it seems to be specifically an anti gay thing.
I am sure you will correct me if I am wrong and have misconstrued the situation.
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optom3:
I give in.
For the 1st time ever on a thread here.Those who are against gay marriage, can stay with their opinion.They have not done anything to change mine.I never for a minute suggested that anyone who was anti gay marriage was anti every faith marriage.
I merely tried to point out that if your argument against gay marriage is because it does not fit with the one man/one woman model.Then you must by defintion be against all the other types of marriage that exist within different faith groups. Many of whom live here quite happily as US citizens, as they do not fit the model either.
Me personally, I still think as I did at the start of the thread, that all couples should be granted the same rights.
One thing I have learned is, I am truly shocked by how much anger and seeming prejudice has been expressed here. I also wish I was so perfect that I could set myself up as the moral arbiter of all such things.
I am a mere human though, so by definition flawed,maybe that's why I think gay marriage is fine. I am obviously not meant to be here amongst such super humans.
I am off to beat a hasty retreat to mere mortal land.
Wayne:
optom, don't feel bad - we're definitely in the majority here! ;D (if not out there ::) )
It's interesting to hear opposing views though. Well, at least somewhat interesting. :laugh: ;)
I think things are shifting in our direction, and I take some comfort in that. Even though people say all these words about why they oppose gay marriage (or any other equal rights for anybody) I still don't understand their point.
I suppose maybe they don't understand ours either ... :-\ But, whatever!
Oh and CONGRATULATIONS on your 2,000th post!!! ;D :D ;D
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