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My sexual orientation and my positions on gay rights
optom3:
--- Quote from: wdj on September 23, 2008, 04:28:48 pm ---optom, don't feel bad - we're definitely in the majority here! ;D (if not out there ::) )
It's interesting to hear opposing views though. Well, at least somewhat interesting. :laugh: ;)
I think things are shifting in our direction, and I take some comfort in that. Even though people say all these words about why they oppose gay marriage (or any other equal rights for anybody) I still don't understand their point.
I suppose maybe they don't understand ours either ... :-\ But, whatever!
Oh and CONGRATULATIONS on your 2,000th post!!! ;D :D ;D
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Thanks, Oh no , I said I wasn't comming back on this thread. Blame my evil doppleganger.
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: Kelda on September 23, 2008, 01:35:56 pm ---So Herr, Yu're gay aren't you? Why are you oppossed to gay marriage? I'm guessing its not becasue you like to be down on yourself... so .... why?
*bewildered look*
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All societies have structure. The structures exist for the common good and general, good operational workings so that the greatest number of people can coexist and move toward fulfillment of individual and group betterment.
part of western (and non western for that matter) culture is based on millenium-old natural standards that have, yes the bad word, religious bases as well. "Marriage" is a foundational aspect of society that has a meaning--man/woman. I understand that their is often a desire to change meanings, but 'marriage' is a term that is not ready for prime time when it comes to redefinition.
The vast majority of people support civil unions which would parallel every 'right' that male/female marriage has. So what is the argument? the majority of the nation wants to maintain an age-old word/meaning, and a small minority wants to disrupt that even though the goals of equality are achieved... Sounds petty to me.
The equal rights in an adult union is not about the name; it's about the rights within. If the equal rights are guaranteed, the case is closed, imo. What the title on the contract says is mute. It hurts no one to walk away from the insistance of specific word-use unless the agenda has been mispresented and there was a more sinister game of political one-upmanship game going on while it was supposed to be about equal rights.
CellarDweller:
http://www.glad.org/rights/OP7-marriagevcu.PDF
Kelda:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on September 23, 2008, 06:14:47 pm ---
The equal rights in an adult union is not about the name; it's about the rights within. If the equal rights are guaranteed, the case is closed, imo. What the title on the contract says is mute. It hurts no one to walk away from the insistance of specific word-use unless the agenda has been mispresented and there was a more sinister game of political one-upmanship game going on while it was supposed to be about equal rights.
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But what people are saying here is that ia nto equal in legal rights..
Also - if the title is so mute why not just call it a marriage?
Clyde-B:
--- Quote from: Kelda on September 23, 2008, 06:40:49 pm ---But what people are saying here is that ia nto equal in legal rights..
Also - if the title is so mute why not just call it a marriage?
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Yes, if the two pieces of legislation are the same, then what's the reason to have two pieces of legislation?
And, please, a real reason. Not a made-up justification.
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