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My sexual orientation and my positions on gay rights
CellarDweller:
Civil Unions Vs. Marriage: Equality Knows No Exceptions
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/414159/civil_unions_vs_marriage_equality_knows.html
CellarDweller:
Civil unions are different from civil marriage and that difference has wide-ranging implications that make the two institutions unequal
http://www.now.org/issues/marriage/marriage_unions.html
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on September 23, 2008, 06:56:24 pm ---That's a nice hypothetical analogy, David. :)
Tell you what, I'm gonna say it, and I point no fingers at any individual, but I don't care who is offended:
Any gay person who is against gay "marriage," full "marriage" rights, exactly the same as available to heterosexuals, not some separate and allegedly equal category of "civil unions," has his own internal issues he needs to deal with and is probably internally homophobic.
Because there is no reason to oppose gay marriage except homophobia and prejudice.
There. I've said it. >:(
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Well there you've said it...but many would wonder why such energy on an issue that is the same piece of pie but you want your neighbor's instead of the one you have.
ifyoucantfixit:
Back in pre civil war south. There were people who owned slaves and held them in terms of chattel. To say that it was a tradition and should be allowed to continue because it had always been that way. Was completely unreasonable. There were people who totally disagreed. Not only the slaves themselves but the people of right mind and thought. They knew that it was completely unreasonable and barbaric to keep those "traditions" in place.
Just because something has been a tradition and always been that way, doesnt make it right. The holding of people as property, the owning of women and complete rule of every bit of their life, is still wrong.
If we go to the middle east and ask the large majority of the Muslims if they think that their time honored beliefs and traditions are right. We would certainly have the same responses that have been given here to argue against same sex marriage. It isnt right, simply because it has always been that way. It needs to be changed, It needs to become a thing of the past. We need to move into the future. Give everyone the same rights. Religious ideals are wonderful for having morals, but not the way to write all of our laws. There are so many different religions that
there is no way to make those laws fit to all the different religions.
I am still looking forward to someone giving me a rational reason that marriage to same sex couples is a threat or in any way deliterious to man woman marriage. I think I know a bit about marriage, and having a successful long term marriage. I have been married to the same man for fifty one years. I dont see any way in this world that gay or same sex marriage is going to change my marriage in any way...................janice
David In Indy:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on September 23, 2008, 07:27:17 pm ---I don't think that analogy makes sense at all. People are not restaurants, and no one is excluded from restaurants.
If you want a non-human analogy, try this. You or anyone else has the right to make a soft drink, market it, sell it, promote and distribute it, etc etc, but you are not open to using the name coca cola. Already taken.
What I do find interesting is that every here falls back on the name issue and not the core agenda of rights. By avoiding the admission that rights is the issue and if rights are guaranteed, then the name should not matter.
If you think the word is so important to have, why then can you not believe those that want that word specified for traditional use are any less entitled to it?
Marriage was NEVER on the table for gay rights until recent times. The institution was scoffed at by most gays as being too institutional, too traditional, too straight and too restrictive. Changing attitudes, whether they be originated by aging baby boomers who want the transfer of loot easily, or younger generations who desire more traditionality, or anyone else who just wants to be like Mr. and Mrs. mainstream USA....fine. But, it seems by most that the uncompromising need to carry the word 'marriage' on a legallly equal certificate is just a finger in the eye of traditional families who have every right to be traditional if they choose to be.
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I never said people are restaurants! What are you talking about? ???
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