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My sexual orientation and my positions on gay rights
serious crayons:
I think the idea that the "tradition" of marriage has to be preserved as it has previously been defined is kind of a euphemistic smoke screen. Heterosexists (good term!) don't want to acknowledge gay couples as legitimate, period, because that would be tantamount to approving of homosexuality, which they don't.
Ellemeno:
--- Quote from: seriouscrayons on September 24, 2008, 11:21:03 am ---I think the idea that the "tradition" of marriage has to be preserved as it has previously been defined is kind of a euphemistic smoke screen. Heterosexists (good term!) don't want to acknowledge gay couples as legitimate, period, because that would be tantamount to approving of homosexuality, which they don't.
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I remember someone here last year or so saying something like disapproving of homosexuality is like disapproving of sunset or rain. It's a fact of nature, and humans approving of it or not is pretty moot. Of course, moot unfortunately does not necessarily mean undangerous. :(
Clyde-B:
--- Quote from: seriouscrayons on September 24, 2008, 11:21:03 am ---I think the idea that the "tradition" of marriage has to be preserved as it has previously been defined is kind of a euphemistic smoke screen. Heterosexists (good term!) don't want to acknowledge gay couples as legitimate, period, because that would be tantamount to approving of homosexuality, which they don't.
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Most traditions in this country are inclusive and encourage expansion. Can you imagine someone from overseas visiting the US in November and being told, "I'm sorry Thanksgiving is an American holiday, you're not American you can't participate."
Marriage is not being described as a tradition; it's being described as a closed club interested in excluding certain individuals from membership.
HerrKaiser:
--- Quote from: bradINblue on September 24, 2008, 12:41:47 am ---I think it all boils down to this:
Would you support repealing DOM?
I, for one, would.
Would you vote for an amendment to your state constitution that would allow same sex marriages and equal rights for same-sex married couples as hetro couples.
I, for one, would.
Would you support an act by Congress similar to DOM that would, instead, guarantee equal rights for same sex married partners as hetro married partners.
I, for one, would.
I believe one needs to get those here who appear to not agree with same-sex marriage to answer 'no' to one of the above questions. Only at that point would he or she be against 'gay' marriage. Just because he or she may see it from another angle, I don't think it is necessarily homophobia. I believe homophobia is tossed around too loosely in the context of this discussion. Very similar to how 'racist' is tossed around in other discussions.
My point is this. If I can't be called 'married' because those who make law and/or the majority in this country don't want me and Steve to be called 'married' similar to our friends Cory and Brianna, who are married, just give me equal rights. I agree with Brokeplex, that in the very near future all this discussion will be a moot point, but until then, I would sit by just fine being treated equal under the law.
Brad
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thanks brad for the clarity. I endorse your three points; so does Bush, so does McCain, as does obama...and based on polls, a majority of americans as well. And, these three, myself and the same majority of americans agree with you that the three points achieves the goal, without the label of marriage.
I don't know if 'marriage' will ever be a moot point, but it seems to me that your position is the most sensible and reasonable for the current timeframe.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Elle on September 24, 2008, 11:33:58 am ---
I remember someone here last year or so saying something like disapproving of homosexuality is like disapproving of sunset or rain. It's a fact of nature, and humans approving of it or not is pretty moot. Of course, moot unfortunately does not necessarily mean undangerous. :(
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Well, I strongly disapprove of cold weather, but that hasn't seemed to have much effect on the Minnesota climate. ::)
My favorite is the IMDb trolls who say they "don't agree with homosexuality." What's to agree or disagree with? And who asked you, anyway?
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