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My sexual orientation and my positions on gay rights
CellarDweller:
--- Quote from: letxa2000 on September 22, 2008, 09:50:33 pm ---Well, like I said, please understand that just as you attach importance to the word "marriage," so do others that disagree with you. So while we may not agree, you should at least understand that it's not hard to understand that people can have just as much interest in blocking the attempts to redefine marriage as you have interest in redefining it.
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As I said before, the definition of marriage was redefined when straight couples started cheating on each other and divorcing each other.
If people understood the importance of the word, they should have no problem sharing that word with people who want to experience that joy as well.
CellarDweller:
letxa2000:
--- Quote from: CellarDweller on September 22, 2008, 09:58:02 pm ---As I said before, the definition of marriage was redefined when straight couples started cheating on each other and divorcing each other.
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I don't even understand that comment. Just because many people don't live up to their vows doesn't mean the definition of marriage is open to any interpretation for those that do live up to their vows. You seem to be arguing that because some straight couples fail in their marriage that the whole word and concept doesn't mean anything anymore. Obviously you don't believe that or you wouldn't be expending so much energy to try to get that word to be applied to you.
--- Quote ---If people understood the importance of the word, they should have no problem sharing that word with people who want to experience that joy as well.
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The conclusion you reach is not supported by the argument you make.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: letxa2000 on September 22, 2008, 09:37:36 pm ---It doesn't effect anyone else's marriage. But just as you want the word "marriage" to mean something to you--and apparently you think it's important enough to argue about--please understand that there are many others that want the word "marriage" to mean something a bit more conservative and traditional. It's just how we use the word and it can be argued that it literally shouldn't matter to anyone. But just as it is is clear that it does matter to you, please understand that it matters just as much to others that disagree with you.
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Just as, in the '50s, it was very important to some people -- a majority, in certain areas -- to maintain a tradition school system in which black and white students were educated separately. But ultimately, that non-inclusive and intolerant segment of society was not allowed to set the standard.
Why should they be allowed to do so now? In other words, if there are two groups who both value the institution of "marriage," then why should the preferences of the conservative, traditional group necessarily prevail?
CellarDweller:
--- Quote from: letxa2000 on September 22, 2008, 10:17:07 pm ---I don't even understand that comment. Just because many people don't live up to their vows doesn't mean the definition of marriage is open to any interpretation for those that do live up to their vows. You seem to be arguing that because some straight couples fail in their marriage that the whole word and concept doesn't mean anything anymore. Obviously you don't believe that or you wouldn't be expending so much energy to try to get that word to be applied to you.
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You are talking of traditional marriage. Traditional marriage vows are "for better or for worse, foresaking all others, until death we do part". Yet straight couples are cheating on each other and getting divorced, and remarried to other people. So it's ok for them to redefine marriage to suit their needs, but it's not ok to allow gay people to marry? I do believe that marriage means something special, and I'm entitled to have it as well as anyone else on this planet.
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