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Got What They Deserved?
ednbarby:
--- Quote ---Imagine the day when it'll be ok for a man to say 'my partner..' or 'my husband...', and no one will even bat an eye or have a second thought. Gays will be accepted and respected and it won't even be an issue. When that day comes, it's films like BBM that will be remembered for the story and themes it told, in a time when unfortunately it still is an issue. And hopefully it will be remembered as one of the 'groudbreaking' films/events/things that helped stamp all that homophobia out. Stupid Bush trying to pass that Marriage ban. Boy are historians and future generations going to look back on all this and just laugh at them. Or even more seriously, realize they were no different from Hitler.
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I agree.
And I don't look at BBM as saying it's inherently negative to be gay any more than I look at Romeo & Juliet as saying it's inherently negative to be young and straight and passionately in love. Like Jeff says, the movie shows that the judgment, and ultimately the tragedy, came down from society much moreso than the protagonists themselves, just as in R&J. Ennis' (and Romeo's and Juliet's) fears were created, and then fostered, by that society.
I know I'm a straight woman coming at this from a different perspective, so I certainly understand it when gay men see it as being negative towards gay men, though.
David:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on June 23, 2006, 03:20:06 pm --- Jack ends up dead, and Ennis ends up alone and isolated on the verge of middle age, their story falls squarely within that tradition. In this sense, the story is "not positive."
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Jeff, so many gay guys I have asked if they saw BBM have winced at the question. They say:"Ooo that was not the great happy film I thought it would be." And they quickly change the subject.
David:
--- Quote from: moviegoer on June 23, 2006, 01:31:35 pm ---The blog went on to say that being gay, Jack & Ennis got exactly what they deserved. Gays should be killed, if not ostracized and filled with a lifetime of loneliness & despair. The bloggers orientation wasn't mentioned (or known, for all I know), but I have a suspicion which camp the blogger lives in.
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Sounds like this person had a bad experience with a gay man or woman. As Ennis said:"Once burned?"
I can see how a husband or wife who looses their spouse to a gay lover could be angry enough to make such statements. Or perhaps a person brought up in a household full of bigotry and hatred. The kind of trash the so-called Reverend Fred Phelps spews.
I have always said, the straight world needs to be exposed to positive gay role models to see that we are all not husband stealing child molesters.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: DavidinHartford on June 23, 2006, 04:05:32 pm ---Jeff, so many gay guys I have asked if they saw BBM have winced at the question. They say:"Ooo that was not the great happy film I thought it would be." And they quickly change the subject.
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Tell you what, that response is almost an argument for reading the story before you see the movie. At least, then, you're prepared for what happens in terms of the plot. I knew how the story was going to end, yet the power of the film still knocked me onto the seat of my pants.
Sorry, didn't mean to go OT.
SFEnnisSF:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on June 23, 2006, 04:29:59 pm ---Tell you what, that response is almost an argument for reading the story before you see the movie. At least, then, you're prepared for what happens in terms of the plot. I knew how the story was going to end, yet the power of the film still knocked me onto the seat of my pants.
Sorry, didn't mean to go OT.
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It's not OT. I saw the movie first, and I'm thinking my first initial reaction would have been way different if I had read the short story first. ;)
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