Author Topic: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll  (Read 4123339 times)

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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #3300 on: August 29, 2006, 04:05:02 am »
I wouldn't want to tell anyone what to do either... but perhaps a comment on country attitudes to nudity...

The assumption I went on here is that Junior and Francine are now are healthy young adults, even though Francine has led a bit more sheltered existence than Junior in the much more religious household of Alma and her second husband Bill.  (Yes, Bill... it's based on Annie Proulx's story mostly, not the film! damn that Monroe...) and Francine is going through pretty much the same reaction Junior had to meeting Ellery for the first time:  sympathizing with her father's "choice in men"  and finding him embarrassingly handsome.  They don't have much of a basis for processing "queer relationships" otherwise.  We had a discussion about this phenomenon in chat last night, and it is less a reaction of "arousal" than it is of a gushy fan type reaction - a diffuse attraction that is based more in a superficial emotional response than in anything truly sexual.

But girls are like this: I know because I was one!  We undressed our Barbie dolls, did all sorts of obscene things with them and Ken, and if there was a chance to peek at some boy with his swimsuit half down or clinging too much to his fruit arrangement, guess what - girls look!  And if there was a chance to peek at a nude man without getting caught, you bet!

I hope I made it clear what and why they were looking, however... the irrepressible curiosity of young (adult) women encountering an unexpectly nude adult man in the guest room.  And it wasn't their Daddy's backside they were gawking at!

The entire phenomenon of slash fiction rests upon the insatiable curiosity women have, and the fantasy element of their interest in gay males... and as such, I am portraying a phenomenon many of us women know quite well.

If this triggers off some folks' disgust, I'm sorry about that - everyone's reactions are different.  They knew they should not have been peeking, and it was (mostly) accidental.

Another reason I did this was to illustrate something about Francine's character.  While Junior has a fiery temper when it comes on her, it is Francine that has the "full throttle on all roads" temperament of her father.  It was she who summarily cut Ennis off when she felt he had hurt her mother, and she is the one who would deliberately go peek where Junior would not have done something like that on purpose.  It is a way of characterizing Francine as much as anything - she is more closeted, more repressed, and is sort of a mini version of Ennis who grew up with a lot of "don'ts" and without the liberalizing, laissez-faire influence of Ennis in the house, forced to go to church every Sunday and with little outlet to be free and easy with her early-marrying older sister.  Notice she has gotten to age 19 and isn't married, and apparently no sign of a boyfriend.  She has the potential to break out and do unexpectedly wild things.  And probably will!

(Now that is fodder for a future story, huh?)
“Mr. Coyote always gets me good, boy,”  Ellery said, winking.  “Almost forgot what life was like before I got me my own personal coyote.”


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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #3301 on: August 29, 2006, 04:13:18 am »
I also wanted to mention that I am feeling quite a bit better today, and am in far far less pain.  And a lot of the swelling has gone down.  So... prospects look good for more chapters!

If anyone is around and wants to chat, peek in chat in case I am there!
“Mr. Coyote always gets me good, boy,”  Ellery said, winking.  “Almost forgot what life was like before I got me my own personal coyote.”


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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #3302 on: August 29, 2006, 05:15:53 am »
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/103507.html  "Chapter 6:  Uncertainties"
“Mr. Coyote always gets me good, boy,”  Ellery said, winking.  “Almost forgot what life was like before I got me my own personal coyote.”


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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #3303 on: August 29, 2006, 05:17:56 am »
Can we cast this young lady...



maybe as Alma Jr's friend? or Ben's wife, or a love interest for Dupree?

There is a Janey Cahill in Riverton who is a friend of Francine's.  But maybe you'd like to be cast as the young female veterinarian who helps Wes with the inoculations and health issues at his ranch...!

The Riverton setting won't be a regular setting for the next two books, so you'd be written out as soon as you are written in if you were one of the girls' friends!
“Mr. Coyote always gets me good, boy,”  Ellery said, winking.  “Almost forgot what life was like before I got me my own personal coyote.”


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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #3304 on: August 29, 2006, 09:41:24 am »
Attitudes to nudity within the family home vary. For some it is no big deal for others it's a big no no.

Yep, certainly!  (was just offering mine as an alternative to the Egads! version...)
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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #3305 on: August 29, 2006, 09:43:29 am »
There is a Janey Cahill in Riverton who is a friend of Francine's.  But maybe you'd like to be cast as the young female veterinarian who helps Wes with the inoculations and health issues at his ranch...!

The Riverton setting won't be a regular setting for the next two books, so you'd be written out as soon as you are written in if you were one of the girls' friends!

But I'd get to talk to them about seeing Ellery naked!  Which I probably couldn't do around Wes... lol.  Tough decisions, tough decisions... thank goodness I get to be a reader and see all!
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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #3306 on: August 29, 2006, 10:28:24 am »
Update to "The Long Way Home"

http://louisev.livejournal.com/103905.html  "Chapter 7:  Planning"
“Mr. Coyote always gets me good, boy,”  Ellery said, winking.  “Almost forgot what life was like before I got me my own personal coyote.”


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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #3307 on: August 29, 2006, 11:41:54 am »
Morning folks!

Oohh..looks like we found our own Laramie Vet!  ;)

Louise, Millie has lost her "maleness" over on LJ..lol.
To think I dint even see it last night!  ;D I blame it on the wine! 
Great to hear you are feeling much better today!!
By the way, did you sort out your visa extension?


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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #3308 on: August 29, 2006, 12:00:21 pm »
Thanks for all of the good wishes. I feel better ... suddenly... than I have felt in two weeks!  The pressure is gone and the pain  has really subsided a lot.

And no, tomorrow morning I tackle the visa issue. I was just too sleepy and drug-ridden this morning to crawl out of bed and go do it. I would have fallen asleep at the wheel I think.

And good job in Millie.  You going to add her to the Gallery in her newly discovered feminine state?
“Mr. Coyote always gets me good, boy,”  Ellery said, winking.  “Almost forgot what life was like before I got me my own personal coyote.”


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Re: Taking Chances, by E. L. Van Hine and L.H. Nicoll
« Reply #3309 on: August 29, 2006, 12:22:09 pm »
You going to add her to the Gallery in her newly discovered feminine state?

Sure am!  ;)