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A heartfelt thought
Luvlylittlewing:
--- Quote from: dly64 on June 27, 2006, 10:40:09 am ---I think what all of you have said ... jpwagoner, littlewing, and atz75 .... hits the nail on the head. This film is tragic, yet it illustrates an enduring and passionate love. How many people do you know who have been able to stay together for 20 years? Not many. The rarity to find someone who can understand you and truly knows you is a gift.
They loved each other. They were not just "in" love with each other. It sounds like semantics, but IMO, it's not. To love someone is to love all parts of the person ... the good, the bad, the ugly .... to work through the hard times, and to be dedicated to each other no matter what happens. When I hear the saying "in love," that means a person can easily fall out of love. And, although Jack said, "I wish I knew how to quit you," the reality was he couldn't ... his love for Ennis was too strong. (sigh .... I wish I knew what that was like!!!) ;)
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Jack and Ennis loved each other as well as being in love! Diane, this is so true. You know, I don't even think Jack fell out of love with Ennis. Even after all Ennis put Jack through, I'm convinced he still had a deep romantic love, a passion for him. Jack certainly continued to love Ennis in the sense that he loved his son, his parents. Jack thought nothing of driving thousands of miles to see Ennis a few times a year, probably would have made the trip a lot more often if Ennis wanted it. Ennis loved Jack just as much, even though he couldn't own it. I can't even image that kind of love. And I can't undersatnd how some people don't see the love! I can feel the love they had for one another it was so powerful, so real!
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: dly64 on June 27, 2006, 10:40:09 am ---They loved each other. They were not just "in" love with each other. It sounds like semantics, but IMO, it's not. To love someone is to love all parts of the person ... the good, the bad, the ugly .... to work through the hard times, and to be dedicated to each other no matter what happens. When I hear the saying "in love," that means a person can easily fall out of love.
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That's interesting. I make a distinction, too, but in a different way. To me, "love each other" means just that -- it could apply to romantic partners, but could also describe a parent-child bond, or a close friendship, or other nonromantic relationships. But I would not use "in love with each other" to describe a parent-child or close-friend relationship. To me, somehow, that little addition of the word "in" takes it to a whole new level.
Jack and Ennis were lucky enough to have both.
Samrim:
Hello everyone, While I agree that the boys relationship was very special indeed, as a gay man who has NEVER had a relationship (I'm much too old now anyway), I feel that the whole story is of regret and failure and loss. Not their fault, blame 'society', but all that love, just gone down the drain. I did it many years ago so I know what it's like
I seem to be in a rather bitter mood tonight, please forgive me, but all the palliative noises about them having FOUND each other, seems worth very little compared with their lives of regret and loss. Maybe they might have had happier, less dramatic lives, had they never met. I realize I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, what do you think. I love the boys to distraction, but pity then too. sam :(
Luvlylittlewing:
--- Quote from: Samrim on June 28, 2006, 06:58:07 pm ---Hello everyone, While I agree that the boys relationship was very special indeed, as a gay man who has NEVER had a relationship (I'm much too old now anyway), I feel that the whole story is of regret and failure and loss. Not their fault, blame 'society', but all that love, just gone down the drain. I did it many years ago so I know what it's like
I seem to be in a rather bitter mood tonight, please forgive me, but all the palliative noises about them having FOUND each other, seems worth very little compared with their lives of regret and loss. Maybe they might have had happier, less dramatic lives, had they never met. I realize I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, what do you think. I love the boys to distraction, but pity then too. sam :(
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Sam remember me? I'm so glad to see you here! You make a very good point, Sam. I remember thinking this very same thing whenever I see the scene of the boys leaving Brokeback. Ennis, realizing that his life will never be the same after meeting and falling in love with Jack, doubles over in severe emotional pain of regret, IMO! Somehow I imagine Ennis thinking while he is dry heaving, "Why did I have to meet him? I love him, but I may never see him again. My life is turned upside down! I wish I had never met him, never arrived at Brokeback in the first place!"
But then again, there is that old cliche, better to have loved and lost.....
ZouBEini:
--- Quote from: Samrim on June 28, 2006, 06:58:07 pm ---Hello everyone, While I agree that the boys relationship was very special indeed, as a gay man who has NEVER had a relationship (I'm much too old now anyway), I feel that the whole story is of regret and failure and loss. Not their fault, blame 'society', but all that love, just gone down the drain. I did it many years ago so I know what it's like
I seem to be in a rather bitter mood tonight, please forgive me, but all the palliative noises about them having FOUND each other, seems worth very little compared with their lives of regret and loss. Maybe they might have had happier, less dramatic lives, had they never met. I realize I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, what do you think. I love the boys to distraction, but pity then too. sam :(
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Hello Sam, I like to think there is someone for everyone and that we're never too old for love. I also like to play Devi's Advocate, BTW, but I think it's important to remain open to the possibilities. I have, and hope you're able to do so also. :)
Personally, the only things I regret are the ones I never tried. Just my two cents' worth.
Anyway - nice to meet you! ;D
Hi Littlewing! I'm stalking you, but not in a creepy way. ;)
~Larz
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