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Fun Brokeback questionnaires
Ellemeno:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on July 07, 2006, 10:10:53 am ---I think that's an excellent idea. Occasionally I've found myself getting through one whole list, only to find another one follows with someone else's answers, and I have to start all over.
Elle, if it turns out others are OK with this plan, do you want to have people delete their own past posts? Or you do it, as a moderator of this forum? Or have any moderator do it?
Now here's another question for everyone: Should people be able to change their answers? I find myself wanting to change a couple of mine -- not the whole opinion, usually, just the way I've worded it -- as I see all these other responses. That may be just me; I was the first person to respond to most of these, and I'll see that some people have interpreted some questions differently, and I want to clarify my answer in that context.
That would mean still more cumbersome copying, though. And if everybody starts fiddling, it might open a whole new can a worms. So I will defer to others' opinions.
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Katherine, I think as thread-starter, you get to decide whether we delete, who gets to delete, etc. Or wait, who started the questionnaires? It was someone else, right? That person should have a say. Whatever gets decided, maybe post the plan/method of deletion in the original post, so new people know what to expect.
As to whether people go in and change their answers - I know that sometimes people later change their posts after I've read them, and unless they alert us, I probably will never read their new update, because I've already moved past, so don't realize it's changed. (Sorry for such an unclear sentence.) Anyway, maybe we all could minimize our changes, and instead just admire someone else's wording and wish we'd said it that way. Although it IS interesting when people announce a significant change of viewpoint, I think. Anyway, I don't think anyone can stop anyone else from changing their answers, but I hope we don't feel the need to do it too much, or at least bold the heck out of the change, so we don't have to read stuff over again - I am so behind on my BetterMostiness! :)
Penthesilea:
Ruthlessly:
--- Quote from: ruthlesslyunsentimental link=topic=3107.msg54510#msg54510 ate=1152219466 ---
Regarding the harmonica:
Does Jack play "He was a friend of mine?"
Penth -- I don't know. But it's hard to believe; I think no.
Have you listened to the voters CD where it's all strung together without the extra noises and
pauses? If yes, then I'm surprised. If no, then I think you'll be surprised.
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No, I have not listened to the voters CD.
I think it would be over the top. Too blunt and not Ang Lee-like. And if it were that song, would not others have noticed, too? Would there not have been a lively discussion about it during the last months, like it has been about the mysterious 'I love you'?
Look, I was (and am) not saying you're plain wrong and that my perception is definitive right. Maybe you are right and I would be surprised by listening to the voters cd. That's why I wrote "I don't know, but think no". I hope we can agree to disagree on this ;D
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Is there any symbolism in Jack playing the harmonica twice and Ennis saying, “I wish that
harmonica would break in two"?
Penth -- hmm, undecided. But I can't follow ruthlessly with his argumentation
as a whole. Perhaps partly.
What parts yes and what parts no and why?
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*scrolling back to said post* Wait a minute.... ;)
First: Did I understand you correct: are you saying that Jack doesn't play "He was a friend of mine" once, but actually twice? Quoting you:
--- Quote ---Jack plays “He was a Friend of Mine” on his harmonica at the “tent don’t look” right
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and
--- Quote ---Jack plays “He was a Friend of Mine” on his harmonica after the “untangle sheep” scene
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Second:
In your argumentation you take it as given, that Jack is (symbolically) represented by the harmonica. I like this idea and think it's not wrong. But for me it is not as clear as, say, Jack=wind. And not as important as the latter.
So part of your argumentation seems far-streched to me, especially in it's appearing finalty:
--- Quote ---Every time either Ennis or Jack hums or sings or Jack plays his harmonica, it foreshadows Jack’s death
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Next:
--- Quote ---Ennis hums a tune taught to him by his mother at the dozy embrace – Jack dies soon afterward
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But the dozy embrace occurs 20 years earlier. I know that this doesn't undermine your agrumentaion completely. It could be deliberate by Lee to show these two scenes temporally close-by (with only two other scenes in between). But this assumption is quite vague for me.
In general: something in me is very reluctant to see such good, happy, upbeat activities like singing, humming, playing the harmonica as a foreshadow of something so dark and sad: death.
In my mind it doesn't match up.
dly64:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on July 07, 2006, 10:10:53 am ---I think that's an excellent idea. Occasionally I've found myself getting through one whole list, only to find another one follows with someone else's answers, and I have to start all over.
Elle, if it turns out others are OK with this plan, do you want to have people delete their own past posts? Or you do it, as a moderator of this forum? Or have any moderator do it?
Now here's another question for everyone: Should people be able to change their answers? I find myself wanting to change a couple of mine -- not the whole opinion, usually, just the way I've worded it -- as I see all these other responses. That may be just me; I was the first person to respond to most of these, and I'll see that some people have interpreted some questions differently, and I want to clarify my answer in that context.
That would mean still more cumbersome copying, though. And if everybody starts fiddling, it might open a whole new can a worms. So I will defer to others' opinions.
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I am game for splitting the questionnaires into two different threads. I would like a moderator (like you, Katherine) to do it (i.e. delete the notes). I would also like to have the ability to change some of my answers. After ready others’ rationales and rethinking some things, I know my responses would be different.
As a suggestion … When we split the thread, it might be good to name it “Fun Questionnaire 2”.
Honestly, every night I have been writing more questions in hopes others will respond. I really enjoy hearing others’ opinions. I find it very fascinating. So, as an “FYI” I am starting a new thread called “Fun Questionnaire 3”.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Ellemeno on July 07, 2006, 11:44:25 am ---Katherine, I think as thread-starter, you get to decide whether we delete, who gets to delete, etc. Or wait, who started the questionnaires? It was someone else, right?
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Actually, I also was the one who initiated the first questionnaire (albeit on someone else's thread). So, with that encouragement, I will go mad with power and boldly just do it.
And another big advantage of this plan is that when I split the thread, Mikaela's post wound up on top. So when I wrote an introductory post, telling how to play, it appeared several posts down. But if I can delete Mikaela's post and the one or two after that, I can get my introduction to the top.
--- Quote ---Anyway, maybe we all could minimize our changes, and instead just admire someone else's wording and wish we'd said it that way. Although it IS interesting when people announce a significant change of viewpoint, I think.
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--- Quote ---I would also like to have the ability to change some of my answers. After ready others’ rationales and rethinking some things, I know my responses would be different.
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OK, how about this. Let's say that if you wish you had worded something a bit more eloquently, don't bother. If you have an epiphany or conversion experience and as a result your opinion shifts drastically, by all means redo the whole questionnaire. For anything in between, use your best judgement.
serious crayons:
OK, still working on it. I deleted some of the posts, but found the computer won't let me delete Mikaela's post because it's at the top. So I PMed her and asked her to try, and in the meantime will see if there are other ways around this.
Now let me think about how best to accomplish Questionnaire 2. In moving over the new posts, I'd like to avoid the problem I created with this one, which is a lack of introductory post explaining how to do it (because the computer automatically sticks the oldest post at the top). It's a little less necessary for 2, I suppose, but it would be nice to have there.
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