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Front-Ranger:
Yes, you're right Meryl. I've often wished that the camera would have come in out of the hail for a TS3 instead of that meager TS3 we get many years later.

Rayn:
Well, you asked for it, and this may be something others won't dare to say, so I'll try to say this as skillfully as I can with some humor too.  I never bought the first night in the tent or the same scene described in the book.  I find it very hard (no pun intended) to believe that Ennis was able with only the "aid of some clear slick and spit" to enter Jack for the very first time, not gently, not slowly, but on "full throttle" as he does in the book and movie.  Besides, "clear slick" doesn't happen until a guy's been up and excited for more than 30 seconds like in the movie, come on.  It's not physically possible for most.

It was all too quick and easy in the movie, so much so that some of my friends said it looked more like a rape scene than anything close to interaction that 'd be pleasurable for both men. I think so too.  If you know what I'm talking about, you know it's not done the first time on "full throttle" with any human being and I just don't see Ennis as "under-endowed" either.   Even an "average guy" could do some serious harm to his partner if his desires were drive home in fourth gear.  I don't know about others, but that didn't seem real at all. Now the second night, was more real and believable, the two of them looking at each other, Jack encouraging Ennis, the agreement was there. It was a love scene, no doubt.  That I could buy, but not the first.  I see that as a flaw in the book and movie.

And hey, the truck facing the wrong way, tamarack, you're so right about that, never thought of that... that's a good one!

Rayn

Meryl:

--- Quote from: Front-Ranger on July 09, 2006, 12:51:54 pm ---Yes, you're right Meryl. I've often wished that the camera would have come in out of the hail for a TS3 instead of that meager TS3 we get many years later.
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A-men and Yeehaw to that!  ;)


--- Quote ---By Rayn
I never bought the first night in the tent or the same scene described in the book.  I find it very hard (no pun intended) to believe that Ennis was able with only the "aid of some clear slick and spit" to enter Jack for the very first time, not gently, not slowly, but on "full throttle" as he does in the book and movie.
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I have to agree with you there, Rayn.  It's something I've put down to "dramatic license" ever since my first viewing.  :P

Mikaela:

--- Quote ---I've often wished that the camera would have come in out of the hail for a TS3 instead of that meager TS3 we get many years later.
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Now this is the only "Big thing" that I think ain't right; not right at all, and I've thought so from the first: I'm sad that there is no scene during the "later years" showing that the affection and the "brilliant charge" between Jack and Ennis was as strong as ever. The TS3 is simply too meek for that, especially coming as it does on the heels of Ennis's failure to respond to Jack's "Sometimes I miss you so bad", which IMO would call for a non-ambiguous physical response. Some proper hugging, a good strong kiss *should* have been included.



--- Quote ---I have to agree with you there, Rayn.  It's something I've put down to "dramatic license" ever since my first viewing.
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Yes, I would suppose that (unfortunately for us) the choice wasn't between the TS1 we got and a realistic TS1, but rather between what we got and any scene at all. After all, the earlier script versions had the camera tracking out of the tent earlier so that all the audience would have been left with, was the night and the moon and some groans from the tent.



--- Quote ---...the truck facing the wrong way..
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There is nearly a whole day between the time we see Jack parking the car, and the next morning when they are trucked up to the jump-off point. So Jack could possibly have moved the car later that day. Perhaps Ennis helped him try to fix it. Or perhaps he took Ennis for a trip to see the sights of Signal.  :D
 

JT:
Here's one that I realized recently.  The scene when Alma Jr. ran to the living room saying "bring a fish, dad, a big big one..." and Ennis picked her up and handed her to Alma.  You see a microphone wire on Alma Jr's belly right after Ennis kiss his wife and left, and Alma started to cry.

And that thing about the truck facing the wrong way, it's also in the wrong location.  The truck was not even on the lot where Aguirre's office was.  It was on a driveway/lot to the right of an old stucco building.  That was the same driveway/lot that Jack drove out off the very next summer when he came looking for that job again. 

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