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Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Lynne on March 04, 2009, 02:59:54 pm ---For instance, you're never going to get me to concede to the RR that Roe v Wade should be overturned. And it's not because I'm pro-abortion. I think if sex education were properly implemented, there'd be little to no need of abortion services. I feel the way I do because I believe very strongly in a woman's right to privacy and reproductive freedom.
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I believe I'm with you here, Lynne. If you'll pardon the metaphor, to me abortion is like locking the barn door after the horse has been stolen.
--- Quote ---Is that extreme? I don't see much middle ground. I'm even opposed to required parental notification because there are too many cases where a male family member is the father. A sad state of affairs, but I would rather place the trust in the young woman to make the decision that is best for her, hopefully with some counseling from professionals involved.
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For myself I've never been able to come to a satisfactory conclusion on parental notification. I see what you're saying about a family member, but I'm still troubled by the notion of a young teenager undergoing a surgical procedure without her parents knowing about it.
OTOH, a morning-after pill? That doesn't trouble me.
Monika:
--- Quote from: atz75 on March 04, 2009, 02:16:13 pm ---Yes, I agree Karen. Anti-gay and anti-abortion positions seem to be fundamental to a lot of social conservative platforms.
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I agree
Monika:
--- Quote from: bradINblue on March 04, 2009, 03:49:10 pm ---Lynne, I believe it is. For rigid liberals and entrenched conservatives, there is no middle ground regarding the issues (which we don't need to list, cause' we know em'). With no middle ground or flexibility, we remain at odds. This is why peaceful negotiations regarding ideals or tyrany have rarely worked as long as man has walked this earth. What has worked is war because there is no middle-ground.
If I were to say I am extremely conservative (which no one here has said he/she is, and I don't think there is one that is a Bettermost member), what would one assume. I'm an atheist. I vote for equal rights. I have and will continue to vote for Democrats if they stand for fiscal conservatism and my idea of what government is or isn't. Extreme liberalism has as many negatives as extreme conservatism in the eyes of a right-leaning individual and for this discussion, I'm not thinking of bin Ladens & McVeighs, but they are true extremists and my statement got people thinking.
When the only thing people have in common is these threads, we become icons and avatars. When we post an ideal and it flies in the face of someones values/beliefs there seems to be this need by some to prove the other wrong. I don't reckon if we all had the wherewithall to get together once a week or month for drinks, etc., the constant hot topic would be politics, religion, and trying to prove each other wrong. When we know where each other is coming from, decide if other social components are compatible with ours, and move on.
Brad
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To say that one is extremely liberal does not mean that one is an extremist. The word "extreme" is used in many contexts and people´s understanding of it varies.
In this case, however, it´s pretty clear that the posters intended the word to mean "very"
louisev:
At the far left of the political left are what are referred to as "progressives." Progressive politics centers on reform of and change from traditional and conservative (historical models), and emphasizes a change to the old and worn out ideologies, including the traditional ideological stances of both conservatism and liberalism, and based upon the concept that the world is dynamic and needs dynamic changes in the political sphere to meet them.
I would be one of those. In fact, there is an entire slice of political independents that are known as Independent Progressives, and that is where my politics are. Unfortunately for us progressives, however, the Democrats have a tendency to want to keep the power structures of the government about where they are, and perpetuate their own place within them. The progressives' choice for a presidential candidate in 2004 was Howard Dean, and they reluctantly backed Kerry once Dean fell out of the race. Progressives were divided unequally between Edwards and Obama early in the 2008 primaries, but Obama appealed far more to moderate independents and so he gathered more steam than Edwards early on because he had a broader base of support. Generally speaking, progressives did not show much support for Clinton due to the centrist triangulation policies of Bill Clinton during his administration.
pnwDUDE:
--- Quote from: louisev on March 04, 2009, 05:22:30 pm ---At the far left of the political left are what are referred to as "progressives." Progressive politics centers on reform of and change from traditional and conservative (historical models), and emphasizes a change to the old and worn out ideologies, including the traditional ideological stances of both conservatism and liberalism, and based upon the concept that the world is dynamic and needs dynamic changes in the political sphere to meet them.
I would be one of those. In fact, there is an entire slice of political independents that are known as Independent Progressives, and that is where my politics are. Unfortunately for us progressives, however, the Democrats have a tendency to want to keep the power structures of the government about where they are, and perpeturate their own place within them. The progressives' choice for a presidential candidate in 2004 was Howard Dean, and they reluctantly backed Kerry once Dean fell out of the race. Progressives were divided unequally between Edwards and Obama early in the 2008 primaries, but Obama appealed far more to moderate independents and so he gathered more steam than Edwards early on because he had a broader base of support. Generally speaking, progressives did not show much support for Clinton due to the centrist triangulation policies of Bill Clinton during his administration.
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The above description of your politics makes much more sense in understanding where you stand. Sounds like your not extremely liberal after and that was my point.
Brad
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