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What Happened???
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Shakesthecoffecan on February 09, 2012, 12:23:56 pm ---So how about the media, the system that promotes a "Thug Culture" for lack of a better description? The ones who promote an attitude to facilitate sales of their fashion wear, the bling that goes with it?
What is a community to do? What is a larger world to do?
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And don't forget the music industry.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Shakesthecoffecan on February 09, 2012, 12:23:56 pm ---So how about the media, the system that promotes a "Thug Culture" for lack of a better description? The ones who promote an attitude to facilitate sales of their fashion wear, the bling that goes with it?
What is a community to do? What is a larger world to do?
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Back in 1982, I went through a punk fashion phase. It lasted about 1 year. My folks stayed on my back about it until I stopped. I remember bumping into my grandmother on the train one morning. At the next stop, she stood up, told me she didn't want to be seen with me dressed that way, and got into the next car.
It is the responsibility of adults to teach children what is appropriate, and what is not. Back in the day, it didn't matter if the adult in question was family or not. Any adult had the right to criticize a child. The words "I'm going to tell your mother" would strike terror in us. The result was that we tried not to do anything that anyone would want to tell our mothers about. Or at least not get caught.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Monika on February 09, 2012, 12:46:51 pm ---But if we agree that the pants themselves ain´t the problem, then why not focus on the real issues. Powerty, unemployment etc etc. These are of course very hard to solve issues, but the whole pants thing seems to be nothing more than smoke and mirrors to me.
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Maybe, but maybe not.
Just a thought--and it's only a thought, sort of wondering, with nothing whatsoever to back it up--but I do wonder whether there might not be something here comparable to how when police and government focus on so-called "quality of life" issues, like graffiti and broken windows and so forth, more serious crime also seems to decrease.
Maybe if parents absolutely refused to let their kids go out with their pants around their knees--made them dress respectably--an attitude change would follow?
I don't know. As I said, just wondering. ...
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on February 09, 2012, 01:04:26 pm ---Maybe, but maybe not.
Just a thought--and it's only a thought, sort of wondering, with nothing whatsoever to back it up--but I do wonder whether there might not be something here comparable to how when police and government focus on so-called "quality of life" issues, like graffiti and broken windows and so forth, more serious crime also seems to decrease.
Maybe if parents absolutely refused to let their kids go out with their pants around their knees--made them dress respectably--an attitude change would follow?
I don't know. As I said, just wondering. ...
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I agree. My experience has been that neighborhoods where the residents maintain their homes, yards, and the street in general experience lower crime rates. Criminals are less likely to "crim" in a place where people care. They might just pick up the phone and dial 911, or testify against them in court.
Sason:
--- Quote from: RouxB on February 08, 2012, 09:02:13 pm ---It is in Milo's post-embracing a "gangsta" culture is both dangerous-there are plenty of people out there ready to disregard the youth rebellion argument and just take things at face value-and a bit of a slap in the face IMO to my aunts and uncles who put themselves in harms way in Birmingham AL fighting for our civil rights.
Baggy pants in and of themselves is not the issue-it is the rest of what goes into "the look"
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Ok, so that's why the clothes are offending; because they represent a criminal lifestyle.
That's the part I didn't get, because I didn't know what those clothes symbolize in the black community.
The rest of what you're saying I totally get.
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