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Monika:
First time I ever saw Bill O`Reilly on TV, he was blaming rap music for the situation in some areas.
This discussion reminds of his kind of logic.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: Monika on February 10, 2012, 01:50:45 am ---First time I ever saw Bill O`Reilly on TV, he was blaming rap music for the situation in some areas.
This discussion reminds of his kind of logic.
--- End quote ---
Then he's looking at it backwards. The situation created the music, not the other way around.
RouxB:
--- Quote from: Monika on February 10, 2012, 01:50:45 am ---First time I ever saw Bill O`Reilly on TV, he was blaming rap music for the situation in some areas.
This discussion reminds of his kind of logic.
--- End quote ---
Which discussion are you following?
serious crayons:
I think you all are putting a lot of responsibility on parents to fight a pervasive culture that is far more interested in making money than in producing model citizens. This is a very, very complex issue. Parents might have some effect if they would all act en masse, but it cannot be solved by individual parents or even all parents as long as everything from our TV commercials to our popular music constantly drills into kids' heads the messages that adults are idiots, that crime and rebellion are cool, that insolence and profanity and misogyny are acceptable, that the most important things in life are making money and owning luxury items, etc.
My parents weren't particularly strict and I wasn't particularly rule-abiding as a kid. But it wouldn't have occurred to me to swear at my parents because nobody I knew -- nobody on TV, nobody in real life, nobody anywhere, as far as I knew -- ever did that. Simple as that.
Even the most extreme forms of youthful rebellion in the media when I was a teenager -- say, the veiled references to sex and drugs in rock music -- seem like Disney lullabies compared to the what my kids listen to these days.
delalluvia:
But yes, it falls back into the issue of parents continuing the cycle of behavior and attitude.
These kids obviously did not have parents who were strict with them or focused on imbuing in them a sense of self-responsibility and the importance of education. My house, what music we listened to was strictly regulated. If my parents didn't like it, we didn't listen to it. We didn't like that rule, our ability to listen to the music at home was taken away. Same for TV. Those pants? Who bought them for the kids? Parents did. Again, my parents also had a say in our wardrobes. They didn't like it, we didn't get it. That only changed when I started working and making my own money, then my parents helped me along with money management by no longer providing me with day to day essentials. They didn't keep feeding me for free or doing my laundry for free, or paying for gas for the car or insurance. That stopped and I had to pay for it myself, so my funds were always limited and thus I had to make hard decisions on what I wanted to spend my money on.
Obviously these parents are falling down in the raising of their children, but perhaps only because they were the same way.
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