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Best Movies of this Century
« on: Yesterday at 10:05:13 am »
Today, the New York Times published the readers' choice version of this list. Brokeback Mountain, which came in at #17 on the critics' list, was #30 on the readers' list. It's at:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/movies/readers-movies-21st-century.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20250703&instance_id=157771&nl=the-morning&regi_id=91026593&segment_id=201153&user_id=8b5ad6a133ffcce0b9fda3ccfb15b213

and you can download a picture of the ones you've watched or want to watch. Here's mine.
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Re: Best Movies of this Century
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 05:55:09 pm »
I couldn't see the list without creating an account which I don't want to do.

Nevermind, it's not important.


But I can't believe Barbie is on that list!!!! Crappiest movie I've ever seen!

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Re: Best Movies of this Century
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 06:30:36 pm »
Sorry about that. I'm interested in why you didn't like Barbie. Was it the plot, the acting, the general premise of it? Or?
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Re: Best Movies of this Century
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 07:33:26 pm »
Sorry about that. I'm interested in why you didn't like Barbie. Was it the plot, the acting, the general premise of it? Or?

It was everything about it, really. I found it incredibly stupid, immature, uninteresting, childish, candyflossy. It was a total waste of my time. Sorry I can't be more specific than that, I have blissfully forgotten most of the details of it.

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Re: Best Movies of this Century
« Reply #4 on: Today at 09:41:56 am »
The beginning reminds me of "Gone With the Wind" sort of. Remember how Vivien Lee was flouncing around in her curls and petticoat, while Mammy admonished her to eat before the picnic? And how the boys fawned over her? The antebellum days on the plantation and how it contrasted with the later scenes during the war.

"Barbie" was like that, with the perfect doll waking up in her dream house, with the airhead dialogue, the fake water and the idealized beach, and the endless dancing and partying. You could see that Barbie's life wasn't preparing her for what was to come. I loved the visual tricks like the clothing ensembles that froze in the air, the magical journey from Barbieland to the real world using all modes of transport from a camper to a space ship. For me, the culmination was the dream dance of the Kens in the manner of a Busby Berkeley musical, and the subsequent battle on the beach. At some point, the story became more about Ken than Barbie and when Barbie really came into her own was when she saw the vulnerability in Ken and helped him find himself.

I also liked the idea that the Barbies were put under a spell and it was the manifesto of the mother and daughter who came from the real world that broke it. The movie was part fable/fairy tale and part coming of age a la Holden Caulfield. The screenplay was very original and should have won an Oscar at least. I liked that Greta Gerwig worked with Mattel and they didn't quash her creativity and wit. And the music was great!

I can understand how skeptics might have gone to the movie just to see what all the fuss was about since it was so successful. And many people were probably disappointed. A multimillion-dollar movie about a doll? But it is not unprecedented. "Pinocchio" comes to mind. "AI" was about a robot and there are countless movies about animals. Some of them have been serious works of art. "Barbie" for me, straddles the line between comedy and drama. It came out at a time when I needed some serious escapism and it fit the bill splendidly.
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Re: Best Movies of this Century
« Reply #5 on: Today at 11:12:59 am »
I keep forgetting that I want to read the book Killers of the Flower Moon.  :(
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« Reply #6 on: Today at 03:41:14 pm »
I've heard it's good. The protagonist in the book was the FBI agent, who was just a minor character in the movie. From what I recall, Scorsese was going to stay true to the book but after he talked to the descendants of the people who were victimized he changed the script around to focus on them. But he didn't go far enough. He made the protagonist a clueless white guy, nephew of a rich landowner, who married into the tribe. The movie has some large flaws, but it is well shot. And, as I recall, it was long, over three hours. There was a scene with a fire that seems to go on and on.

Back to "Barbie," I got such a kick out of what they called horses: "man extenders."  :laugh:
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Re: Best Movies of this Century
« Reply #7 on: Today at 03:50:06 pm »
It was everything about it, really. I found it incredibly stupid, immature, uninteresting, childish, candyflossy. It was a total waste of my time. Sorry I can't be more specific than that, I have blissfully forgotten most of the details of it.
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I LOVED Barbie. It was visually creative, well plotted and had a feminist message (albeit a pretty elementary one, but unfortunately there are some pretty elementary people out there). I love Ryan Gosling in any context and in this case I loved his song and dance number (and possibly loved his rendition in the Oscars broadcast even more), I admire Greta Gerwig's originality here and in other movies. I loved it much more than Oppenheimer, for the record, and more than a lot of movies that win Best Picture and more, IIRC, than the other nominees that year.

Oh well, Sonja, at least you and I agree on one movie.




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Re: Best Movies of this Century
« Reply #8 on: Today at 03:51:25 pm »
I keep forgetting that I want to read the book Killers of the Flower Moon.  :(

I'm wondering if the book is better than the movie. The movie was OK but dragged a bit, and I've heard lots of good things about the book and David Grann in general.



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Re: Best Movies of this Century
« Reply #9 on: Today at 05:39:29 pm »
The beginning reminds me of "Gone With the Wind" sort of. Remember how Vivien Lee was flouncing around in her curls and petticoat, while Mammy admonished her to eat before the picnic? And how the boys fawned over her? The antebellum days on the plantation and how it contrasted with the later scenes during the war.

"Barbie" was like that, with the perfect doll waking up in her dream house, with the airhead dialogue, the fake water and the idealized beach, and the endless dancing and partying. You could see that Barbie's life wasn't preparing her for what was to come. I loved the visual tricks like the clothing ensembles that froze in the air, the magical journey from Barbieland to the real world using all modes of transport from a camper to a space ship. For me, the culmination was the dream dance of the Kens in the manner of a Busby Berkeley musical, and the subsequent battle on the beach. At some point, the story became more about Ken than Barbie and when Barbie really came into her own was when she saw the vulnerability in Ken and helped him find himself.

I also liked the idea that the Barbies were put under a spell and it was the manifesto of the mother and daughter who came from the real world that broke it. The movie was part fable/fairy tale and part coming of age a la Holden Caulfield. The screenplay was very original and should have won an Oscar at least. I liked that Greta Gerwig worked with Mattel and they didn't quash her creativity and wit. And the music was great!

I can understand how skeptics might have gone to the movie just to see what all the fuss was about since it was so successful. And many people were probably disappointed. A multimillion-dollar movie about a doll? But it is not unprecedented. "Pinocchio" comes to mind. "AI" was about a robot and there are countless movies about animals. Some of them have been serious works of art. "Barbie" for me, straddles the line between comedy and drama. It came out at a time when I needed some serious escapism and it fit the bill splendidly.


Wow, you've really put some serious analyzing into it, Lee!

I've seen Gone with the wind exactly once, and that was about 40 years ago, so I'm afraid I don't remember the scenes you describe, or much of it at all. 

As for Barbie, I didn't see any of the things you liked and describe so well. I disliked it too much to put any serious thought into it at all. I found it totally empty and braindead. But I find it very interesting that you were able to see and read into it so much that I was totally oblivious of.

I had no desire to watch it at all, but I was talked into it by a friend (no names! let's just call him Doc P  8)) who had seen some reviews that made him interested.

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