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I know it's probably wrong of me, but I find this *really* funny...
ednbarby:
I agree, Mikaela. And that's exactly what I meant in saying that it's probably very wrong of me to find it funny. You're absolutely right - the hate that these folks propagate by behaving in such a manner is something to feel angy and sad about, indeed.
Do you know what also makes me angry? Is when the Republicans inevitably (and they already have) come out and say about such things, "The timing is suspect." Well, no DUH. In this case, the whistleblower deliberately did it when he did for political reasons and says so. But the thing is THIS IS NOT THE POINT. The point is that the right wing is the biggest bunch of hypocrites that ever walked the face of this planet. Doesn't matter when someone blows the whistle - what matters is that there is reason to at all. Sheesh.
And besides, the Republican Party wrote the friggin' book on dropping 11th hour bombshells. How they *dare* to say one word about a member from the other side doing the same is beyond mind-blowing.
I'll say it again. 7 November cannot get here fast enough.
JennyC:
Barb, I don’t think it’s wrong to ridicule/laugh at people who are hypocrites. Hypocrite is what Ted Haggard is, who denounced others for their “sins” when he was engaging in it. Let that be having a gay relationship or using methamphetamine.
Whether everything Mike Jones said is true still needs to be proved, but at least there is some truth in the allegation since “the church's Acting Senior Pastor, Ross Parsley said that Pastor Haggard has admitted to some of the indiscretions claimed by Mike Jones, but not all of them. “ The question that people wonder now is what those indiscretions were.
I tried to post the link of the video that he denied the allegation before words getting out that he admitted some guilt, but the link won’t work. You can check out the video via the CNN story ( http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html). Again, what a hypocrite!
Some past video of Ted Haggard preaching on homosexuality:
http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/4557411.html
A friend forwarded me more comments on the blog of a gay columnist. I was laughing out loud reading some of comments.
http://www.thestranger.com/blog/2006/11/better_and_better.php
http://www.thestranger.com/blog/2006/11/stiff_upper_lip_or_c.php
http://www.thestranger.com/blog/2006/11/some_of_the_allegati.php
nakymaton:
NPR had a story about Haggard this morning. One of the church members talked about how Haggard would be "exonerated." Like it's a crime to be gay. Like being gay is worse than being a hypocritical bigot.
The saddest part is that, somewhere, there is a kid who goes to the New Life Church, and he/she is sitting there listening to his or her parents rant about the people accusing their pastor of being gay, and the kid is just dying inside, because he/she is just coming to realize that he/she is attracted to men/women. (Maybe it's a boy who has been fantasizing about the art on the church walls that the blogger linked to.) And whatever happens with the election, that kid is going to bear the scars of all this hatred.
I know people who have relatives who go to that church. I get fliers in the mail from them. Those poor kids.
ednbarby:
I hear that, Naky. The issue here of course is not that he *is* gay, but that he preached against being what he is. That would be like me preaching against being a straight woman. The only thing they should be considering exonerating him for is lying to them in the first place.
And yes, I feel bad for the children who have had and will have to listen to all the anti-gay ranting and raving. Their parents are already too far gone for pity.
Mikaela:
--- Quote ---he/she is sitting there listening to his or her parents rant about the people accusing their pastor of being gay, and the kid is just dying inside, because he/she is just coming to realize that he/she is attracted to men/women.
--- End quote ---
..and when that kid grows up, there's a certain likelihood he/she will become active in continuing the cycle. Fighting equal marriage acts, preaching against gay relationships, doing everything to make the load heavier for those more courageous ones who've dared to come out. While himself/herself either living in total denial, or dying inside at living such a hypocritical lie. **Groan** It's all just so horribly depressing to think about it.
That said, I had a look at some of the links related to Mr. Haggard specifically, including one interview with him on YOuTube. Urgh!!! 6 minutes and I just wanted to hit something or run away screaming, based on what he was saying, and how he was saying it - and all that entirely unrelated to the recent (alleged) hypocricy. I had never heard of this person before, lucky me. What an unpleasant acquaintance.
One of the other links, an article on his church, says:
--- Quote ---No pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism than does Pastor Ted, and no church more than New Life.
--- End quote ---
If that is really true, dare one hope that something good might come out of the current story - that the political direction of evangelicalism exercise a bit of humility and take a long, good, hard look at their own hypocricy and prejudices? Nah. It's probably to much to hope for.... :-\
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