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Timeline discovery
Kelda:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on January 25, 2007, 07:23:33 pm ---Until I read this thread, I didnt realize that the scene with the "I aint queer" conversation, was actually up on the mountain with the sheep, and that obviously Jack had gone up there to see Ennis after TS1......I had always thought, that it was Ennis returning to camp that night, and walking up to Jack, who was waiting for him....
On viewing the scene again, I can see the sheep, and where the boys are, and it certainly adds another dimension to what was going on in their heads after TS1....Jack obviously needed to get into Ennis' face and confront their feelings or before the feelings might get lost and replaced with anger or embarrassment.
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I had realsied it was upo at the sheeo - but I hadn't connected that jack shouldn't be there... oh my goodness! I need to watch the film again.. its been far too long.... (a couple of months) I'm baby sitting tonight - I may well sit down and watch it tonight!
Katie77:
Kelda.....glad to know, I wasnt the only one, who didnt know what happened in that scene....
Reminds me of the first time I saw the film, and I didnt see the words "deceased" stamped on the postcard.....then found out, that a lot of others didnt see it either....
Jeff Wrangler:
As some of the folks around here know, I was away visiting my dad for the weekend, and out of computer touch, but, of course, Brokeback and Bettermost are never far from my mind. ;D And on the train out to my dad's I was thinking about this thread and the whole question of the time from TS1 to the "I ain't queer" conversation, and from the conversation to TS2. And another perspective popped into my head.
I think it's logical, when you watch the film, to assume that TS1 happened one night, late the next day they had the conversation, and that same night--the night after TS1--TS2 occurred.
But what happened was, I started thinking of Ennis as someone just "coming out," even if that just means just beginning to have male-male sex. Clearly the foundations of his world have been rocked by TS1. He is dealing with a lot of earth-shattering emotional issues. He's always thought of himself--assumed himself--to be an ordinary straight guy, and now, omigod :o , he's just had sex with another guy.
I remembered, too, the look on Ennis's face in TS2. And then the thought occurred to me: With all the issues Ennis is dealing with, maybe--just maybe--it took a couple of days after TS1 and the "I ain't queer" conversation, for Ennis's need to overcome his fear?
A passage of a couple of days would at least, perhaps, allow for the apparent change in weather between the "I ain't queer" conversation and TS2 that has always troubled me.
Along with this, I got to wondering whether Ennis's closed eyes in TS2 is the film's equivalent of the line in the story, in Jack's dozy embrace reminiscence, about Ennis not then being willing to admit it was Jack he embraced.
Katie77:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 28, 2007, 10:33:03 pm ---As some of the folks around here know, I was away visiting my dad for the weekend, and out of computer touch, but, of course, Brokeback and Bettermost are never far from my mind. ;D And on the train out to my dad's I was thinking about this thread and the whole question of the time from TS1 to the "I ain't queer" conversation, and from the conversation to TS2. And another perspective popped into my head.
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First of all Jeff, I'm glad I'm not the only one, who dwells on some of these threads, when I'm driving, or just sitting quietly.....
And, yes, I think sometimes we forget, how mind boggling the experience in TS1 would have been for Ennis, and that its quite probable that TS2 was a few days at least afterward.
Cameron:
Hi Jeff and Katie and all
I am glad your starting to see my viewpoint.
It just makes so much sense to me that it was too days, expecially when I think of how Ennis started to with Jack, not being able to make eye contact till TS 1. Especially when I realized how active he was.
It just seems to me that he really needed that time to understand and come to terms with his own actions and feelings, and he wouldn't have been able to face Jack the same day.
And for some reason I just think it fits and make sense, that Ennis spend the night all by himself out on the mountain.
And then he was finally ready to speak to Jack, and go into the tent in TS2.
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