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Exactly WHEN does Jack decide.. th 1st tent scene..is gonna be th 1s tent scene?
twistedude:
I Hate to fight about this beasutiful movie--I don't HAVE a DVD, just a lot of memories, a thoroughly corrected screenplay, and a bu nch of Youtubues...please stop saying you "have the same DVD" or a "different DVD." It's the same movie, even if all you can see of the first tent scene is MUD,,,and Jack is ALWAYS, ALWAYS the agressor, the comforter, the open one..how can you see it different;y?
Except for the reunion kiss; guess that caught him a bi off guard...
littleguitar:
--- Quote from: julie01 on April 25, 2006, 10:49:15 pm ---Yup..they just...drift together...Jack doesn't do anytbhing...and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you-but I've changed my mind about my sister; I'll keep her.
Please look at these two pictures CAREFULLY, LARGE...
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That top picture is actually the exact moment of hesitation from Jack I was talking about in my other post. He pauses for just a second like he's also surprised he just did what he did, then he goes for it and unbuttons his pants...
And no one is saying Jack did nothing, he was clearly the more open/aggressive one. We're just saying that there was no elaborate plan on either Jack or Ennis's part. And while I wouldn't say they just "drift together" exactly, I would say that that is a more accurate description of what happened than saying Jack purposefully got Ennis drunk so he could get him in the sack. "Drifting together" seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable explaination of what happens when two people have a physical/emotional connection... they are bound to collide, even if the movements toward each other are slow and subtle, even if those emotions are denied.
vkm91941:
Well here's my 20 cents on this topic:
They began work mid-May and were brought down a month early, in the middle of August. Meaning they had 3 months together on Brokeback. They were on the mountain for a full month before the first tent scene. We know this because a full moon is shown their first night (illuminating Jack sitting by his pup tent with the sheep, looking down at the fire Ennis has going in the main camp). And a full moon is shown the night they get it on. So it was a full month if not 2 full months. Plenty of time to get acquainted to watch and wonder to develop a fondness or attraction. This is NOT about calculation or drifting into something. It is so much more than that and to not see it cheapens it.
The first tent scene is all about the unleashing of passion, of fantasy built over weeks of longing looks and speculation by BOTH. I do NOT think they planned it more it was a case of being in the right place at the right time with just enough liquor in their systems to loosen any inhibitions. The way Jack holds on to Ennis, the way Ennis yearns toward Jack even when he's saying what are you doing..You see the exact moment when Jack makes the decision to go for what he wants when he removes his coat and unbuckles his belt, then the final decision is all up to Ennis and he goes for it.
In the second tent scene. Actually those moments before the second tent scene when Ennis is sitting by the fire obviously struggling with should I or shouldn't I ...we can see Jack in the tent getting ready for bed ...Ennis looks over and then rises and walks towards the tent..we cut to a bare chested Jack obviously nervous contemplating well he or won't he and then Ennis is there at the tent flap, hat in hand and they lock eyes....priceless moment Jack is so sweet and tender, Ennis is so shy. I think it shows their love for each other nicely.
slayers_creek_oth:
--- Quote from: vkm91941 on April 26, 2006, 12:36:00 am ---Well here's my 20 cents on this topic:
They began work mid-May and were brought down a month early, in the middle of August. Meaning they had 3 months together on Brokeback. They were on the mountain for a full month before the first tent scene. We know this because a full moon is shown their first night (illuminating Jack sitting by his pup tent with the sheep, looking down at the fire Ennis has going in the main camp). And a full moon is shown the night they get it on. So it was a full month if not full months. Plenty of time to get acquainted to watch and wonder to develop a fondness or attraction. This NOT about calculation or drifting into something. It is so much more than that and to not see it cheapens it.
The first tent scene is all about the unleashing of passion, of fantasy built over weeks of longing looks and speculation by BOTH. I do NOT think they planned it…it was a case of being in the right place at the right time with just enough liquor in their systems to loosen any inhibitions. The way Jack holds on to Ennis, the way Ennis yearns toward Jack even when he's saying what are you doing..You see the exact moment when Jack makes the decision to go for what he wants when he removes his coat and unbuckles his belt, then the final decision is all up to Ennis and he goes for it.
In the second tent scene. Actually those moments before the second tent scene when Ennis is sitting by the fire obviously struggling with should I or shouldn't I ...we can see Jack in the tent getting ready for bed ...Ennis looks over and then rises and walks towards the tent..we cut to a bare chested Jack obviously nervous contemplating well he or won't he and then Ennis is there at the tent flap, hat in hand and they lock eyes....priceless moment Jack is so sweet and tender, Ennis is so shy. I think it shows their love for each other nicely.
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Agreed 100% Vic! Well said...
littleguitar:
I'm with Chris, well said Vic! Took the words out of my mouth and said them better than I ever could!
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