Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack -- by balrog20-ressurected

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Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - balrog20-ressurected (Sun Feb 26 2006 19:43:21 )   

He mounts the horse and then spins around on it. What is going on in that scene? There was an intense look that Jack gave Ennis after the spinning.

Why is it in there? Every scene has a point.




I always wondered how come you never brought any trouts home...

Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - littleguitar39 (Sun Feb 26 2006 19:51:56 )   

yeah I think he was showing off and I think he was also a little embarrassed, he was having a bit of trouble controlling that horse but he wanted to look like a bad a*ss so he gave ennis that intense look to save face...

i love the way ennis looks at him after that, that mixture of puzzlement(is that a word? LOL!) and amusement...

that's if we're talking about the same scene...

There is no love apart from the deeds of love. -Sartre

Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - balrog20-ressurected (Sun Feb 26 2006 19:54:41 )   

someone else said that once but I'm not happy with that theory. It looked dangerous, kind of out of control. I feel there's more to that scene than showing off. The looks they exchanged somehow didn't fit with showing off.




I always wondered how come you never brought any trouts home...


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - littleguitar39 (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:00:18 )   
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hmmmm, I've got nothing besides that... IMO it wasn't anything more than that, I agree that every scene is in this movie for a purpose, very well edited and put together, but I don't think that necessarily means that a scene like that has some huge significance. It was a pretty minor scene in the scheme of things.

but if you have any other thoughts I'd be interested, It is a very intense look coming from Jack, one of my favorites...

That's one of the things that is so great about this movie, it is so mysterious, there are so many interpretations!

There is no love apart from the deeds of love. -Sartre


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - vkm91941 (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:01:23 )   

Remember Ennis warns Jack that the horse has a low startle point and Jack blows him off saying he can handle it, playing the big rodeo rider, he darn near gets his-self throw half a dozen times before it finally happens. I think it all, including the spinning scene, just leads up to showing Jack's youthful bravado and recklessness which is in stark opposition to Ennis's mature reality even though they are the same age.


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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - balrog20-ressurected (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:22:53 )   

UPDATED Sun Feb 26 2006 20:23:32
That was a stunt double doing that trick BTW. No way is Jake G. a good enough rider to do a stunt like that on a horse. He can barely ride.

I always wondered how come you never brought any trouts home...


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - DV2 (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:25:19 )   

I found the low startle point buckskin scenes pretty humorous in terms of JG's ability to actually look like a real cowboy. His arms tend to windmill about. Compare and contrast to HL's riding. Which looks like he really does know how to ride. His equine mount is never caught in the mouth by inexperienced hands.


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - latjoremekeed (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:29:49 )   

As that good reviewer at pajiba.com pointed out, one of the things that appealed to Jack about Ennis was that Ennis was the better cowboy, that he naturally matched the classic mythical macho Western guy role that that Jack was always trying (and sometimes failing) to embody. So if this scene had a meaning, maybe it was to underscore that point. Jack is showing off, Ennis is bemused. And in turn I think Ennis found Jack's showing off endearing.


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - laxdoctor (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:33:16 )   

Precisely!


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - newyearsday (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:40:27 )   

UPDATED Sun Feb 26 2006 23:45:33
I've wondered about it too, but I think it's just him trying to show he can handle it, trying to show off a bit but only in that he won't get thrown. I also think there is some serious symbolism with that low startle point horse being a metaphor for Ennis, who is like a horse with a low startle point--he blows up pretty easy as we see later. He's powerful and doesn't want anyone to control him--probably doesn't do the submissive role in sex with Jack, as we have discussed here way back in the posts. So, I think there is some subtext going on with the story here that Jack's symbolically showing he can handle Ennis sexually, in a relationship, etc. That he won't get thrown by him even if he does startle easily. That's pretty deep I know, but it's been my take on it for a while now.


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - littleguitar39 (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:52:43 )   

That was a stunt double doing that trick BTW. No way is Jake G. a good enough rider to do a stunt like that on a horse. He can barely ride.

balrog, are we talking about the same scene?? you could see that it was jake, you could see his face....

I agree with the poster who said that jack partly liked ennis because he was, in a way, the cowboy Jack couldn't be. Jack throughout the movie is trying to be better that he is, trying to prove himself. you can see it even in the way he walks... for example, the way he walks up to ennis as he is getting on his horse the first day they switch jobs. jack says something along the lines of "you won't get much sleep up there..." the way he walks up to ennis, collar turned up, smoking his cigarette, so cocky... he's always trying to be the bad a*ss rodeo cowboy. It's one of the things i love about jake's performance, he was able to portray this sense of insecurity and bravado without ever needing dialogue that said "I want to prove my self to my father, to l.d. newsome, to you ennis, to myself"

There is no love apart from the deeds of love. -Sartre


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - Ellemeno (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:55:11 )   

>> He mounts the horse and then spins around on it. What is going on in that scene? There was an intense look that Jack gave Ennis after the spinning.

The horse with the low startle point is out of control. The look is "I hate that you are seeing this when i want you to think i'm a great horseman."


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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - balrog20-ressurected (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:58:14 )   

Yes you saw Jake's face but only after a very crude edit. There was a distinct cut there from when he spun to when Jake's face was brought back on camera. Two people there.

I always wondered how come you never brought any trouts home...


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - silentpawz (Sun Feb 26 2006 20:58:15 )   

Yeah, I agree that Jack was trying to show off, and pretty much failed, LOL. Ennis was the much better horseman.

And remember the line in the story (not in the film, unfortunately), when Jack comments how it feels so good, and it must be because of all the riding Ennis does? I loved that bit.

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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - Ellemeno (Sun Feb 26 2006 21:00:18 )   

I don't think he's trying to show off. I think he just wants to ride away, but the horse is fighting him. The spinning is all the horse's doing. jack's just hanging on, trying to regain control.

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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - littleguitar39 (Sun Feb 26 2006 21:02:26 )   

interesting... i don't remember a cut... I'll have to check it out next time I watch

There is no love apart from the deeds of love. -Sartre


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - latjoremekeed (Sun Feb 26 2006 21:04:45 )   

The look is "I hate that you are seeing this when i want you to think i'm a great horseman."


Yes, Ellemeno, this is a more accurate description than showing off.


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - newyearsday (Sun Feb 26 2006 23:47:25 )   

totally agree with the above post. thanks for nailing it!


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - moviemom44 (Mon Feb 27 2006 00:02:09 )   

Totally agree, Ellemeno. There may also be just a teeny bit of "please don't say, "I told you so," in there somewhere, too.

"Truth--say it now or die lyin'" -- Fergus (ROAR)


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - newyearsday (Mon Feb 27 2006 07:57:36 )   

Yes moviemom44 (I think you were one of the first people I saw on this board way back in early Dec.!) you also nailed it. What is so amazing is how a small moment such as this one with just a look in it can contain so much information. The power of sparse but brilliant scripts combined with excellent acting is truly something to behold.


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - groucho3710 (Mon Feb 27 2006 08:07:28 )   

If Jack is giving off "scared-a-bit-off-balance-but-elated-and-exhilarated" it sounds like a perfect analogy for their relationship as I understand it. AND a bit embarrassed by not being able to control the horse. One symbolic meaning, one rather straight-forward one.

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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - Front-Ranger (Mon Feb 27 2006 08:44:10 )   

Also keep in mind that the horse is a mare. Could it be that Ennis is realizing that Jack doesn't really have a "way with the women?"


Jack's Equine 'Crow-Hopping' as Symbolic   
by - CaseyCornelius (Mon Feb 27 2006 08:59:55 )   

UPDATED Mon Feb 27 2006 22:15:14
groucho3710:

Agree with your symbolic/straight-forward meaning division. And love your 'scared-a-bit-off-balance-and-exhilarated' comment.
There are a number of levels of meaning to the scene - as there are with almost every richly detailed shot throughout the film.

The shot comes at what I see as a turning point in their relationship. Jack is trying to show that, though he can't quite control the horse, he IS able to stay on and further show Ennis the evidence of his earlier comment that he doubts that 'there's a filly that can throw' him. A perfect presaging of what THEIR relationship will be - Ennis is always out of control/fearful - witness the later wrestling/fight/wounding scene - but Jack will continue to pursue.
And I love the look on Ennis's face as Jack rides off - as much infatuation, longing and attraction as he can overtly display.

It's curious that the scene is not included in the version of the screenplay published in the Story to Screenply volume [essentially a transcription of the finished film and not at all indicative of a shooting script], but is very clearly stated in the 2003 shooting version and reveals that McMurtry and Ossana intended that this shot carry some portent:

"JACK saddles up, in a pale world.

The mountain, misted, is the color of smoke. the high, grassy plain invisible.

ENNIS cleans the breakfast plates by the fire.

JACK mounts his bay mare. She crow-hops a little; he keeps her under control.

Rides off, ENNIS watching him go."

I keep noticing Ang Lee's use of Michelangelo Antonioni's technique of dividing the screen and relating objects within the frame to the characters as further comment on their psychological states. And from the first time I saw the film [ten times so far] I was aware of how the frame, as Jack mounts his horse, is divided exactly in half: Ennis on the left in the foreground, with his calm, docile horse directly 'behind' him in the background, juxtaposed with Jack 'crow-hopping' on the right in the background. A perfect use of the framing to suggest both a contrast between the two characters as well as a uniting, in that Ennis is presented in the shot as both the recipient of Jack's display of control/bravado and an observer [along with the film audience] of this telling action.

It's also ironic that a little later in the bear-encounter we notice Ennis subject to the wild vagaries of his horse throwing him with even more damaging and telling results.



Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - kaijuman (Mon Feb 27 2006 09:00:25 )   

I'd have to see this scene again (and I could be wrong by this interpretation)...
But, as Ennis watches him, I sort of got the impression -despite how unimpressive Jacks riding was- that Ennis was becoming a little more infatuated with Jack through it.

I'd really like to see this again now just to see the facial expressions.


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - Spooky_Rabbit (Mon Feb 27 2006 09:26:06 )   

UPDATED Mon Feb 27 2006 09:26:32
Yes you saw Jake's face but only after a very crude edit. There was a distinct cut there from when he spun to when Jake's face was brought back on camera. Two people there.


Yes, there is an edit. But having the DVD I can assure you that it's Jake Gyllenhaal on the horse in both scenes.

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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - kaufman35 (Mon Feb 27 2006 09:34:17 )   

I agree. What was more interesting to me about this scene was the way that Ennis was looking at Jack and watching him go. The first time, when he told Jack that the horse has low startle point, he gave Jack a look too but it wasn't like this one. This one, Ennis watches Jack go and even makes an effort to move to the side a little bit to continue watching him. The way someone would if they were "checking someone out" from afar.

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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - wang_jude (Mon Feb 27 2006 09:42:53 )   

ut, as Ennis watches him, I sort of got the impression -despite how unimpressive Jacks riding was- that Ennis was becoming a little more infatuated with Jack through it.


That's my take on it too. In addition to everything else said about this scene. He's trying to show off a little, also because he knows Ennis IS watching and IS taking an interest in him, unlike Jack's father ever did.. It's a moment where he can finally prove his father wrong, in a way, because his father never bothered to teach, let alone compliment his son on anything..

In this scene, I had the sensation also, that it's one of those moments, where Ennis is realising something is 'going on' and that he takes 'more interest' in Jack than he 'should'..

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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - wang_jude (Mon Feb 27 2006 09:44:41 )   
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Yep kaufman! He was totally checking out Jack!

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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - Front-Ranger (Mon Feb 27 2006 11:20:23 )   

That was a very insightful thread (Sorry. Referenced thread is now deleted: TOoP). I wish ones like that didn't get lost so easily. Jack probably thought Ennis was going to laugh at him when he can't get control of his horse, but is surprised when Ennis only looks after him so intently. Ennis gives him another look like that when he is standing in the stream washing dishes. He looks up on the mountain and sees Jack on his horse among the sheep. Ennis seems like he is definitely warming up to Jack in his own taciturn way. During their first days together there is much subconscious jockeying for position. Jack starts out assured since he's been there before, manhandling the sheep while Ennis keeps house. And then there are some adjustments, as Ennis takes over the herding duties. You can see them building up trust in each other.


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - balrog20-ressurected (Mon Feb 27 2006 19:51:09 )   

" But having the DVD I can assure you that it's Jake Gyllenhaal on the horse in both scenes."


I don't think Jake G is capable of performing such an advanced trick on a horse. He barely knows which end of a horse points forward.

I always wondered how come you never brought any trouts home...


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - blubabigurl2003 (Mon Feb 27 2006 20:38:19 )   

I think that person is talking about the scene when Jack gets mad at Ennis because he's tired of eating beans and he mounts the horse and spins around a few times and gives Ennis this intense look. Yea...i thought that was kinda odd too, like he was embarassed or something like that I dunno.

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Are you sure, jay-347? I probably shouldn't even ask, because my experience was very limited, when I was a kid, except that I was taught reins in the left hand. The horse I remember best would neck-rein if he was in a good mood; maybe that makes a difference. Except: wouldn't people who roped on horseback use their right for roping?


I think it's a double.   
by - VirginiaGal (Mon Feb 27 2006 20:54:54 )   

You can't see Jake's face when the horse is bucking, in that scene or the previous one. I think it IS a double. Then you get a closer view when the horse has calmed down, and you see Jake's face. I personally thought Jake rode very well, considering he'd never ridden before. That's also a stunt double riding for Lureen. There's a credit at the end.

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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - Jamessemaj12 (Mon Feb 27 2006 20:59:54 )   

JACK isn't showing off he is being fought by the horse then he has to show the horse who is in control and what is going on with Ennis is he is first looking at JACK like Boy I warned you you gonna get your ass thrown then as he rides away looks like he has a look of desire in his eyes like he is cruising.


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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - balrog20-ressurected (Mon Feb 27 2006 21:43:29 )   

In the screenplay they call it "crow hopping"

I always wondered how come you never brought any trouts home...

Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - Spooky_Rabbit (Mon Feb 27 2006 23:44:49 )   

I don't think Jake G is capable of performing such an advanced trick on a horse. He barely knows which end of a horse points forward.


I looked again and I think you're right balrog.

The guy on the horse looks a lot thinner than Jake. I think I was confusing it with the "no more beans" scene...

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Re: I think it's a double.   
by - moviemom44 (Tue Feb 28 2006 22:55:43 )   

That's also a stunt double riding for Lureen. There's a credit at the end.

Really? And Ann seemed so proud of her riding skills in the LOGO network special. She said she trained for 2 months before the movie and "I got pretty good, if I do say so myself." Maybe she didn't know that they used footage of the double and not her?

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Re: I think it's a double.   
by - balrog20-ressurected (Tue Mar 7 2006 18:00:15 )   

Well she did look good on the scenes where she is riding fairly hard. But barrel racing is a whole different ball of wax. That requires expert and athletic horse skills which even a talented beginner like Hathaway doesn't have.

I always wondered how come you never brought any trouts home...


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - strawbs04 (Sat Mar 11 2006 22:05:39 )   

THERE IS SYMBOLISM: Yes Jack was showing off a bit to Ennis, but this scene, like the rest of the movie, was symbolic of their characters and the circumstances.

Ok, when Jack and Ennis first start the job, and they are about to move the sheep to the part of the mountain Gary told them to, Ennis looked at the horse and warned Jack that the horse wasn't strapped properly for how strong the horse was he should strap something else to the horse to take away some of the horses power so if he bucked he wouldn't fall. Jack shrugged it off and said "there's no horse I can't handle." Ennis warned, and in the scene where the horse spins around violently, you find out Ennis was right, and Jack should have been more careful. This is just symbolic of the differences in their characters. Ennis was more repressed and fearful, and Jack was more flamboyant and expressive.

The real symbolism is to the differences in their character that caused the disagreement about living together. This scene just shows that they think differently.


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - kevinmcg (Sat Mar 11 2006 22:25:47 )   

I think every scene does have a point. In this one, it's about Jack's desire to be in control but unable to fully acheive it. He's a dreamer who's dreams rarely come true. he's in a marriage where he's not in control most of the time (father-in-law/wife have the money), yet he does stand up to his father-in-law once, to the delight of his wife. He desperately wants to be with Ennis permanently, yet is unable to find a way to get him to join him permanently, even when Ennis is divorced and might be free to be with Jack. This just reminds me of how flawed these characters are, adding to their complexity.

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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - feydora (Sat Mar 11 2006 23:05:07 )   

I think that the scenes shows us one more time that Jack never had any success in anything he got into. He can't shoot, he can't ride, he can't cook, he never had any real success in bullriding etc. Jack is cocky to hide his failure to do well.


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - grghls (Sun Mar 12 2006 12:59:35 )   

some people believe the reason we often repeat the same mistakes over and over in our love relationships is because we are trying to repair the damaged relationship we had with the parent that we found difficult and challenging. i.e the parent it was almost impossible to please. so we hope by repeating the same abuse to finally heal the wounded relationship with that parent. of course this seldom works. we know from the story and movie that jack had a contentious and abusive relationship with his father.

i think when ennis told jack that the horse he chose had a high startle point, ennis was only trying to be helpful and to spare jack, whom he already had fondness for, some trouble in the future. when jack responded that he doubted that there was a filly that could throw him with such swagger it made ennis stop and wonder why he would act this way when ennis was simply concerned. the look on ennis's face here seems thoughtful and a little bemused. of course jack was using his bravado as protection because he probably felt instinctively that ennis was criticizing his horsemanship the way his father criticized his skills as a horseman and also his manhood all his life.

later when the horse tries to buck jack off, jack is fully aware that ennis warned him about the horse and that he more or less told ennis to mind his own business. in this situation jack's father would have taken the opportunity to say i told you so and belittle jack. so when jack finally gets the horse under control he has a very grim and determined look on his face readying himself to feel the sting of ennis's disapproval. instead ennis picks up on jack's discomfort and old pain and doesn't feel the need to say anything and even more miraculously instinctively knows not to say anything. instead ennis feels that jack is someone who needs some love, protection, and tenderness and ennis’s facial expression and the longing way he watches jack ride off shows this very clearly.

this is the beginning of their love. they are obviously just embarking on the best kind of love relationship, one that is not built on trying to fix old pains from childhood but is based on mutual feelings of trust, understanding, and compassion with good old healthy sexual attraction thrown in. by the time they are in the tent together jack knows he is not taking much of a risk by grabbing ennis's hand and putting it on his crotch because they have shown their mutual attraction and understanding many times by this point.

ennis has also been abused by his father. i'm sure his dad thought that he was toughening his sons up to the harsh realities of life by showing them the body of the old dead rancher. but to do this to such young children and especially to a boy like ennis who probably already knew himself to be different in the way the old rancher was different is definitely abusive and doubly so when we find out that ennis had reason to suspect that his dad may have helped to do the job.

ang lee shows us that jack and ennis had a deep understanding of each other’s needs from the beginning and that they were able to get away from reliving their difficult relationships with their fathers. jack and ennis are presented as simple and uneducated but they were both obviously intelligent and also had what i feel is one of the most important attributes a person can have, sensitivity to others. unfortunately ennis was the more deeply wounded and it made it impossible for him to fully realize or accept the depth of his feelings for jack until it was too late.

it might also be interesting to note that horses that try to buck riders off do so because they have been abused by humans and do not trust them.

Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - terryhall2 (Sun Mar 12 2006 14:40:27 )   

Jake took riding lessons..in fact the horse might behave like that knowing he wasn't a proficient rider. I saw the scene as Jack trying to keep his horse under control having told Ennis that he doubted it could throw him. He shoots a murderous look at Ennis as if to say 'don't you dare say anything!"


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - terryhall2 (Sun Mar 12 2006 14:54:10 )   

They purposely showed the differences in the key throwing scenes. Ennis catches the keys Aguirre throws to him, Jack drops those his father-in-law throws him, Inherent is that Jack doesn't think he's good at anything and there is one scene in the book that shows this 100%; as a small boy he tries to urinate properly in the toilet but sprays it around as you do. His father comes in, mad and proceeds to urinate all over Jack, telling hime to clean up afterwards. Jack also notices that his father is uncircumcised, whereas he is, which made him feel less special. Jack is constantly trying to be 'top cowboy' to prove to himself, and everyone else, he is worthy. The more you investigate this story the more magnificent it becomes..Heath and Jake have done a fine, complementary job and that's why they were denied their Oscars...they were too damn good!

Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - amandazehnder 2 days ago (Sat Apr 1 2006 19:33:53 )   

In addition to showing off... did Jack pick a difficult horse in order to practice his rodeo skills? I had the impression that he picked it as sort of a project. Something to ward off the boredom of the mountaintop.

Just a thought.


Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - Front-Ranger 1 day ago (Sun Apr 2 2006 13:36:45 )   

Yes, amandazehnder, he did pick an extra-frisky horse but not to practice rodeoing (his event of choice was bullriding). He selected it to show off to Ennis. Ennis noticed this and other things right away and while he initially might have thought, What's up w/this guy, then later I think he was touched, or impressed, that Jack cared what he thought, whereas everybody else in his life had abandoned him, his parents, his older sister, who ran off w/a roughneck to Casper, and his brother, who had routinely beaten him up when he was a boy.

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Re: Explain the horse spinning scene with Jack   
by - jshane2002 1 day ago (Sun Apr 2 2006 15:29:04 )   

I've seen BBM 10 times now and I try to sit up real close to the screen. You see so much in Ennis's eyes under his cowboy hat.

When Jack finally gets the horse under control, the horse is at right angles to Ennis and Ennis gets profile shot of Jack sitting on the horse in his tight jeans. That was the time I realized how much of a cowboy fantasy Ennis had and how well Jack fills that fantasy for him.

When Jack turns the horse and rides away, Ennis looks at Jack the way a guy looks at a women, just appraising the view.