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Double meanings: Lines that can be taken more than one way
dly64:
--- Quote from: stevenedel on July 24, 2006, 09:45:44 am ---Maybe 'catfight' is a bit strong ;D Still, I don't find the scene at all friendly. No doubt Lashawn's intentions are OK, she simply talks so fast that she hasn't got the time to think what she is saying. But Lureen, says the screenplay, is bored stiff, and I do believe she feels insulted by Lashawns remark and feels the need to stress her own superiority. Jack, though detached, appears completely at ease to me - he doesn't seem the type to be impressed by academic titles.
The lesbian angle is an interesting one, hadn't considered that (but that's probably caused by the fact that to a gay man, lesbians may well be the most incomprehensible creatures on the face of the earth ;) )
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I agree with you. I don't think Jack cares one iota about the others’ academic titles. The only thing I see is that Jack is noticing Randall checking him out. IMO, the only reason why he asks LaShawn to dance is to spite Lureen. The whole time he’s dancing, he looks back at the table. (Of course, one can question if Jack is looking at the table to see Lureen’s reaction or Randall’s. Hmmmm ….)
The lesbian thing … I highly doubt it. Lureen is completely bitter because Jack is not attracted to her. As for LaShawn … she talks too much. I doubt that she is thinking about what she I saying. CLUELESS!!
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: dly64 on July 24, 2006, 10:15:38 am ---The lesbian thing … I highly doubt it. Lureen is completely bitter because Jack is not attracted to her. As for LaShawn … she talks too much. I doubt that she is thinking about what she I saying. CLUELESS!!
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I know that LaShawn didn't mean it that way and that Lureen probably didn't hear it that way... but still I think the double meaning is there.
Mikaela:
--- Quote ---IMO, the only reason why he asks LaShawn to dance is to spite Lureen.
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I've seen others say that as well - but I honestly don't see why Jack would want to spite Lureen? I just don't see him as that kind of person, never actively spiteful.....even in those later disapponted years. He knows, none better, what the marriage has become and why. IMO he'd echo Ennis if he had to: Shut up about Lureen. This ain't her fault.
In my view, Jack asks Lashawn to dance in order to get out of an increasingly embarrassing and awkward situation, in order to have time to collect his thoughts a bit and regroup. Randall visibly checking him out, LaShawn contributing her cluelessly and increasingly ironic remarks, Lureen watching and adding her little barbed comments on the side; getting onto the dance floor with a woman who will manage to entertain herself completely seems like a good retreat option for Jack just there and then.
The most unintentionally ironic line LaShawn delivers, and hence another line with double meaning, is the complaint that the two husbands "Don't have a smidging of rhythm between them". In all likelihood, soon there's going to be quite a lot of rhythm between those two guys.... And Jack actually seems to possibly make that connection, too - at least IMO he does a little double-take at Lashawn's comment.
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I know that LaShawn didn't mean it that way and that Lureen probably didn't hear it that way... but still I think the double meaning is there.
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I agree with that. LaShawn didn't mean it that way but in the context of this film the hinted double meaning is absolutely there.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on July 26, 2006, 03:15:36 pm ---The most ironic line LaShawn delivers, and hence another line with double meaning, is the complaint that the two husbands "Don't have a smidging of rhythm between them". In all likelihood, soon there's going to be quite a lot of rhythm between those two guys. And Jack actually seems to make that connection, too - at least IMO he does a little double-take at Lashawn's comment.
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That's interesting, Mikaela. I never read the comment that way before. I always took "they have no rhythm" as an unwitting euphemism for "they have no interest in heterosexual sex" or something like that -- in other words, an echo of Lureen's "husbands never wanna dance with their wives."
But your way works just as well!
Mikaela:
--- Quote ---unwitting euphemism for "they have no interest in heterosexual sex" [ ] But your way works just as well!
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In other words, a line with (at least) triple meanings! ;D
I think it was the "between them" sent my thoughts in that particular direction. Lashawn could have complained about the lack of dancing skills/hinted lack of interest in heterosexual sex in lots of different ways without wording it that particular way....... So here I am to pick up her cluelessly dropped remark. ;)
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