The World Beyond BetterMost > Anything Goes
Why are the poor, poor?
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: HerrKaiser on May 06, 2008, 02:48:23 pm ---I think, to quote the Rev Wright, you took Broketrash's ideas WAY out of context and as such tended to mislead.
But, what I find funny is using Reagan as a means to support the liberal argument! :) :) :)
--- End quote ---
:laugh: I can see that you are trying to have fun being reasonable in the face of absurd argumentation. Good Luck!
You might wish to take a gander at the following link:
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,14666.msg284972.html#msg284972
This link will take you to a thread which also concerned topical welfare, poverty and the underclass. And in that thread, you will notice postings from some of the same cast members as we have here on this thread. On that old thread, I attempted to also be reasonable and patient in the face of unremitting absurd argumentation. But, in the end, nothing was accomplished.
And in the end, you will like me, click on the "IGNORE" button.
knock yourself out brother! 8)
Jeff Wrangler:
Absurdity, like reasonableness and patience, is in the eye of the beholder.
Obviously, some of us find the suggestion of legally enforced contraception absurd (at best), and responded to that perceived absurdity in a way we felt was both reasonable and deserved.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: seriouscrayons on May 06, 2008, 01:21:02 pm ---Yay! :D Are you listening, Congress?
But don't you think, broketrash, that this is a risky move given the changes in employment opportunities due to automation and outsourcing? To me, everybody could use a basic standard high school education. After that, it's another matter, I guess. But I've never felt that a shortage of technical-education opportunities is a big problem for young people today, especially because many high schools offer tech-ed programs. And they are downright plentiful after high school.
--- End quote ---
all opportunities have risks. no risk, no payoff.
I think that the basic readin', writin', and 'rithmetic that students absorb by the time that they enter high school is enough to allow them to start differentiating their studies. the academically bound will continue a course of study familiar with all college bound high school grads. the technical trackers will be given relevant courses in their chosen technical field (of course business math, business English, some science would be a part of this curriculum as well) , and in some technical areas the math backgrounding might be quite extensive.
but, why can't we help train those who are going to go on to jobs in industry that do not need a college diploma?
why can't we put those kids in technical programs that allow them to intern in private industry with a good job after graduation?
don't you think that the high school graduation rates would go up?
employers would be very happy to hire good people out of high school that they don't need to remedially train. Relationships could be built between high schools and individual employers and community colleges who would have advanced tech courses for those students to take, maybe leading to a 2 year degree.
I can think of any number of tech areas that high school students could intern in and study without the need to go on to a 4 year degree:
machinists jobs
chemical technician jobs
surveyor jobs
cosmetology / barbering
computer techs
law enforcement/ ems / firefighters
med tech jobs
mechanics
soil management / animal husbandry and management
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: broketrash on May 06, 2008, 04:32:34 pm ---all opportunities have risks. no risk, no payoff.
--- End quote ---
Well, yeah. But the balance of risk vs. reward has to be reasonable. Risking jumping off a cliff on the chance you might learn how to fly is not reasonable. I'm not saying your plan is that outrageous, just that it would require a lot more knowledge of the current job market and the projected job market than I myself have. A lot of technical jobs eventually won't exist, or won't exist in this country, or won't be performed by a human. Will the number of remaining jobs be sufficient? What happens to people who have received narrow training for a now obsolete job? The broader the education, the easier the career shift.
--- Quote ---I think that the basic readin', writin', and 'rithmetic that students absorb by the time that they enter high school is enough to allow them to start differentiating their studies. the academically bound will continue a course of study familiar with all college bound high school grads. the technical trackers will be given relevant courses in their chosen technical field (of course business math, business English, some science would be a part of this curriculum as well) , and in some technical areas the math backgrounding might be quite extensive.
--- End quote ---
I think I might have been more open to this idea 10 or 20 years ago.
--- Quote ---but, why can't we help train those who are going to go on to jobs in industry that do not need a college diploma?
--- End quote ---
We can.
--- Quote ---don't you think that the high school graduation rates would go up?
--- End quote ---
I don't know enough about why people drop out of high school. Is it because they don't feel the academics are useful, or is it for other reasons -- lifestyle, pregnancy, delinquency, parents' examples ... ? Personally, as I said, I don't know. If the majority drop out because they don't find the coursework relevant, you could be right.
--- Quote ---employers would be very happy to hire good people out of high school that they don't need to remedially train. Relationships could be built between high schools and individual employers and community colleges who would have advanced tech courses for those students to take, maybe leading to a 2 year degree.
--- End quote ---
Aren't these pretty common already? I know they had them in my high school. It was called Vo-Tech (vocational/technical). There was also a program called "Mini School" for would-be dropouts, and SWAS, School Within a School, where higher achievers worked on independent study projects.
--- Quote ---I can think of any number of tech areas that high school students could intern in and study without the need to go on to a 4 year degree:
machinists jobs
chemical technician jobs
surveyor jobs
cosmetology / barbering
computer techs
law enforcement/ ems / firefighters
med tech jobs
mechanics
soil management / animal husbandry and management
--- End quote ---
A few of those may be obsolete or outsourced within a few years. Computer techs already are, to a large extent.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: broketrash on May 06, 2008, 04:32:34 pm ---I can think of any number of tech areas that high school students could intern in and study without the need to go on to a 4 year degree:
machinists jobs
chemical technician jobs
surveyor jobs
cosmetology / barbering
computer techs
law enforcement/ ems / firefighters
med tech jobs
mechanics
soil management / animal husbandry and management
--- End quote ---
I would not be too sure that med techs don't need college degrees. Possibly a two-year associate degree is sufficient now, but even if it is, that could change. I work in a branch of the medical education field. Even now there are certification examinations for medical assistants--the people who answer the phones and do the office work. The trend in medicine is toward requiring more education, for everyone, at all levels.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version