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Would Ennis Commit Suicide?
Rayn:
"Suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem..."
I disagree, because there are other ways to see it, ways that make sucidie an even worse choice.
The western world doesn't have the last say on what happens after death.
There are billions of people who believe suicide isn't a permanent solution because death isn't a permanent event.
Killing is a cause that creates very bad effects, so from a Buddhist or Hindu view, suicide just gets you greater suffering and more trouble in the next life and lives thereafter.
Suicide is a choice made out of selfish ignorance, emotion or mental illness. It's to be avoided by all means. Having said that, I will add that from a Buddhist view again, the individual is ultimately responsible for taking or perserving his or her life and not taking the life of anyone else.
I would never encourage a suicide, I would attempt to save the person's life if possible, but if a person I knew took their own life anyway, I would feel very sad, but I would not feel guilty.
Rayn
dly64:
--- Quote from: Rayn on September 26, 2006, 11:15:58 am ---"Suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem..."
I disagree, because there are other ways to see it, ways that make sucidie an even worse choice.
The western world doesn't have the last say on what happens after death.
There are billions of people who believe suicide isn't a permanent solution because death isn't a permanent event.
Killing is a cause that creates very bad effects, so from a Buddhist or Hindu view, suicide just gets you greater suffering and more trouble in the next life and lives thereafter.
Suicide is a choice made out of selfish ignorance, emotion or mental illness. It's to be avoided by all means. Having said that, I will add that from a Buddhist view again, the individual is ultimately responsible for taking or perserving his or her life and not taking the life of anyone else.
I would never encourage a suicide, I would attempt to save the person's life if possible, but if a person I knew took their own life anyway, I would feel very sad, but I would not feel guilty.
Rayn
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I understand where you are coming from, but, IMO death = finality on earth. In other words, your physical being is no longer present. The problem we run into, especially among high-risk groups, is the realization that suicide is the end of life as they know it. It solves nothing. It is an act of desperation and, at times, an act of anger. Loved ones are left with an inability to process what has occurred and why. There are no answers.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: moremojo on September 25, 2006, 04:38:40 pm --- at the moment it happened, a suicide seemed like the best option for the person who committed it
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I think the key phrase is "at the moment it happened." The trouble is, a moment later -- or a day later, a month later, a year later -- it might no longer have seemed like such a good option.
People who unsuccessfully attempt suicide -- people who jump off bridges but survive, for instance -- often later report having regretted the act immediately after taking it. Others are glad they weren't successful, once their circumstances change and/or their depression is treated. Young people in particular tend to perceive suicide as glamorous and romantic, or as an effective way to "get back" at those who have hurt them. As Diane said, many are unable to grasp the finality of death -- whatever we believe about the afterlife, death ends a life, which I think many suicidal people don't fully comprehend.
I don't think of suicide as "immoral," nor do I think loved ones should feel guilty. But (except in cases where the person is suffering from a terminal illness) they often do. Personally, I wouldn't commit suicide if only because I couldn't be that cruel to my children.
My grandfather committed suicide -- shot himself in the head in an upstairs bedroom while my grandmother was working the night shift. My grandmother came home and found him, then called her son. My uncle got to drive to the house in the middle of the night and help her deal with the situation.
dly64:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on September 26, 2006, 12:47:00 pm ---My grandfather committed suicide -- shot himself in the head in an upstairs bedroom while my grandmother was working the night shift. My grandmother came home and found him, then called her son. My uncle got to drive to the house in the middle of the night and help her deal with the situation.
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I never knew that, Katherine. I am so sorry. I would guess that those who are left behind are always wondering why. I would also guess there would be a degree of anger ....
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: dly64 on September 26, 2006, 01:56:30 pm ---I never knew that, Katherine. I am so sorry. I would guess that those who are left behind are always wondering why. I would also guess there would be a degree of anger ....
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Thanks, Diane. I was very young -- and in fact didn't hear that he had killed himself until years later. My grandmother was a very strong woman and my uncle a very practical guy, so I never heard them react much to it. But it couldn't have been easy.
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