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getting hit hard by offhand revelations (story discussion)
nakymaton:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on September 11, 2006, 10:45:37 am ---because of the reference to Jack's line of dialogue, I took that as specifically referring to the scene in the back seat of the convertible and wrote my post accordingly. That's not a lukewarm response that we see there. Not from that grin on Jack's face. He's a 22-year-old boy who's about to get his rocks off. ... ;D
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;D Heh. Here's where Katherine's and my experience with straight men comes into the conversation, I suspect. Straight 22-year-old boys about to get their rocks off tend to be a bit more, ummmm, aggressive and enthusiastic. Particularly when confronted with breasts.
Ummm, in my experience, at least. ;D
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: nakymaton on September 11, 2006, 10:53:19 am ---;D Heh. Here's where Katherine's and my experience with straight men comes into the conversation, I suspect. Straight 22-year-old boys about to get their rocks off tend to be a bit more, ummmm, aggressive and enthusiastic. Particularly when confronted with breasts.
Ummm, in my experience, at least. ;D
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No doubt. ... ;D
But don't forget, it's 1966. Back then, "nice girls" were not supposed to behave the way Lureen is behaving in that convertible. It just looks to me like Jack is a little surprised by her aggressiveness, but that grin on his face is universal: "Oh, boy, I'm gettin' laid!" ;D
dly64:
--- Quote from: nakymaton on September 11, 2006, 10:53:19 am ---;D Heh. Here's where Katherine's and my experience with straight men comes into the conversation, I suspect. Straight 22-year-old boys about to get their rocks off tend to be a bit more, ummmm, aggressive and enthusiastic. Particularly when confronted with breasts.
Ummm, in my experience, at least. ;D
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There's truth to that ... except I can't say that I have had sex with a guy a few hours after I met him, either. So ... I guess anything's possible! ;)
There’s a lot being said about Jack’s lying. I guess I just don’t see it that way. It’s more like omitting information. I am one of those few people who believe that Jack is telling his own truth when he says “me neither.” I am not convinced that he is 100% comfortable with his own sexuality at the time of TS1. Yes, he wanted it … no doubt about that. However, I think he was conflicted about what he felt and wanted as compared to what was expected of him. I think this is evident when he meets Lureen. Certainly he is not as passionate for her as he is for Ennis. But he is attracted to her and she represents a socially acceptable relationship. Clearly, Jack becomes more comfortable with his own sexuality as time goes on. But the purpose for Jack’s lies and omissions are the same …. They are a way to shield Ennis from the truth … a way to protect Ennis. Jack’s indiscretions have very little to do with Ennis. So why tell Ennis something that would just hurt him?
moremojo:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on September 11, 2006, 11:12:41 am ---It just looks to me like Jack is a little surprised by her aggressiveness, but that grin on his face is universal: "Oh, boy, I'm gettin' laid!" ;D
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And quite possibly losing his virginity from a heterosexual perspective. A have a friend who has problems with Jack's line in this scene, thinking, as some others here have concurred, that it sounds awkward (especially to her heterosexual woman's ears). I suspect that is precisely the point--Jack is a homosexual going through the motions with someone who doesn't really stir his loins. He's saying something without having his heart in it.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: moremojo on September 11, 2006, 11:30:19 am ---And quite possibly losing his virginity from a heterosexual perspective.
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That's probably the key right here.
--- Quote ---He's saying something without having his heart in it.
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See, this is what I'm not seeing, not from what I remember of the look on his face. I remember surprise at the aggressiveness of this "nice girl from a good family," but not displeasure at the direction she's heading. :-\
Edit: Just an additional thought: If his heart's not in it, what the hell is doing getting into that car with her in the first place? :-\
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