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getting hit hard by offhand revelations (story discussion)
moremojo:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on September 11, 2006, 11:46:36 am ---Edit: Just an additional thought: If his heart's not in it, what the hell is doing getting into that car with her in the first place? :-\
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I see Jack seeking refuge and safety in a socially licit relationship. Previously, we saw him hitting on and getting rebuffed by Jimbo; a tense scene, where Jack might have been in very real danger. One might say that he's trying on heterosexuality for size, just as you mentioned many gay men historically have done. Lureen is a beautiful woman, and Jack would surely recognize that and appreciate it in his way, and the knowledge that she comes from money could be further inducement for him to court her. Furthermore, as far he knows, he may never see Ennis again--might be time for a fresh start, and if he can get it up for a woman (to put it crudely), perhaps all the better. Problem is, he's gay and in love with a man.
nakymaton:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on September 11, 2006, 11:12:41 am ---But don't forget, it's 1966. Back then, "nice girls" were not supposed to behave the way Lureen is behaving in that convertible.
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Heh. You know, I haven't watched BBM with my mother, and one reason is because I think she would not approve of Lureen's behavior in that back seat. ;D In fact, I think she would possibly be more critical of Lureen than of any other character in the movie. (Hard to say, though. I still don't talk to my mother about sex.)
I'll be honest -- I've heard plenty of guys explain just how horny 22-year-old men are, but since I've never been one, I don't know for myself. So I don't know what it feels like to have a, ummm, gun cocked and wanting to go off for a long time. I guess I can believe that Jack might be looking forward to the prospect of an orgasm. And Jack certainly looks really lonely in the bar scene. So maybe between loneliness and horniness Jack isn't lying.
--- Quote ---Edit: Just an additional thought: If his heart's not in it, what the hell is doing getting into that car with her in the first place?
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Well, in an ideal world, he wouldn't have gotten into that car with her, would he?
I can sympathize with Jack, with the loneliness and horniness, and with living in a hostile society. But getting into that car was a mistake.
Diane: The story lie that gets to me most isn't in the movie. It's the moment in the motel when Ennis asks Jack if he has had sex with other guys, and Jack lies and says he hasn't. That's not just withholding information. Ennis was trying to sort out his feelings about his sexuality and about Jack, and even reveals that he thought about Jack while masturbating. (Sorry, TJ if you're out there, that's how I read the scene.) And then Jack lies. And lying in the face of that kind of personal revelation... well, that's harder to forgive than omissions are, at least for me.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: moremojo on September 11, 2006, 12:04:48 pm ---I see Jack seeking refuge and safety in a socially licit relationship. Previously, we saw him hitting on and getting rebuffed by Jimbo; a tense scene, where Jack might have been in very real danger. One might say that he's trying on heterosexuality for size, just as you mentioned many gay men historically have done. Lureen is a beautiful woman, and Jack would surely recognize that and appreciate it in his way, and the knowledge that she comes from money could be further inducement for him to court her. Furthermore, as far he knows, he may never see Ennis again--might be time for a fresh start, and if he can get it up for a woman (to put it crudely), perhaps all the better. Problem is, he's gay and in love with a man.
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Nothing at all here that I would disagree with, Scott. I was just narrowly focusing on the back seat of that convertible--and what I remember of my own hormones at age 22. ;D
serious crayons:
Well, I don't think we even need to drag Mel's and my back-seat adventures with 22-year-old men, however educational ;), into the discussion to understand Jack's motivations. Yes, I'm sure he's pleased enough about the prospect of sex. We know that in a pinch, horny young men can get enthusiastic about all sorts of sex partners, sometimes even non-human or inanimate ones. So I wouldn't go so far as to say he's reluctantly going through the motions just to be polite or anything.
But I see his grin as more this :) than :D. And it's really not ;D. And especially not :-*.
I think passion is what we see when he's with Ennis, and the expression doesn't look the same. The "fast or slow" line sounds a bit scripted and disingenuous to me, unlike "sorry, s'alright, c'mere." And when she whips off her bra, he actually looks slightly taken aback. :o
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on September 11, 2006, 02:00:14 pm ---And when she whips off her bra, he actually looks slightly taken aback. :o
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Maybe he just wasn't expecting her to go that far, let alone "all the way." I sure wasn't expecting that bra-removal, and I was just in the audience!
Actually, puritan that I am ::) , I do think that bra removal is kind of gratuitous. But, we see Michelle's breasts so I guess we have to see Anne's! ::)
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