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morrobay:
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The forest scene: I still think it was the intention of the movie makers to give the impression that Marc was leading Kay's hand in a certain direction, but you are right again about the left/right hand. Probably this scene is shot in parts and from different sides and I think this happens all the time when making movies, without the viewers noticing this.
Good that you did. Ik could see this a thousend times without noticing.
However, of course you could be right and the intention is diffent.
Curious what others will think when they watched the movie.
It's a little detail but in my opinion important how to interpret. It's quite a difference: Kay puts his hand in Marc's pants because Marc "asked" him to or Kay puts his hand in Marc's pants despite Marc tried to push him away.
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I think you’re right, it’s just in how each person views it. And yes, the scene is shot from different angles, and who knows how many takes they did to get the shots they wanted. If he did or didn’t make that move, he was still clearly terribly conflicted by what was happening: did he want it to happen, or did he want Kay to take the responsibility for it happening, so he could tell himself he had no choice?
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Then another thing. I was wondering why Marc was back in the training camp. But could it be possible that he was doing that run test at that moment (at the end of the movie)?
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Yes, Vincent also brought this up. I assumed the police used the academy track and gym for training; there’s no way to know if the academy was near where he was stationed, or some distance apart.
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One other thing about the scene in Kay's apartment. After Kay told Marc he loved him, they wrapped their arms around each other and kissed. At a certain moment Marc put's his tongue in Kay's mouth and to me it looked like if Max withdrew his head, as if he was shocked a little (like: hey fellow, take it easy). Curious what you think.
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This is where I asked if, when Kay pulls back, he nods his head, as if to say “Yes, I love you”. I’ve watched it a few more times, but it’s still not really clear to me, so I guess it could be wishful thinking on my part. :)
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About Max: on youtube I found a nice video. Is from a few years ago, but I liked it anyway. You see pieces of several movies and interviews and all comments are in English. When you search for Kino the German film magazin you will find it. From 14.20 it's about babyface max
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Thank you for finding the youtube clip with English translation, I found it, done when he was 24 – adorable. And great to see the movie clips. The one of him playing a junkie – WOW! Powerful acting. He's very talented, I hope to see more of his movies.
mariska:
Do you know there's a free fall facebook page?
So many great reactions to the movie from people all over the world.
And so many want a sequel.
I picked this one out (originally in German):
"Do we get a continuation of the movie? The whole world discusses about if there will be one? We would welcome a continuation and also strongly hope for it. The movie is just great, great job guys
I also read an interview with Stephan Lacant. Many people asked him for a sequel, some want Marc to go after Kay and others want Marc to go back to Bettina.
Well, I have the impression that everybody wants Marc to go after Kay.
It would be interesting to think about what Marc would do if this was real life.
Somehow I feel that going back to Bettina wouldn't work anymore. Of course there will always be a connection with Bettina because she is the mother of his child.
If I were in Marc's position, the situation with Kay would feel like "not over yet". I would contact him (if I would have the courage) en then see what happens.
About the nodling, I'm not sure either.
Another interesting question I found on the internet about the love scene in the bed: how did the actors do that? Did they wear unvisible underwear or what?
Or is it the camerawork that makes them look nude?
I think: they were really nude. Youcan see it when Max turns around.
Those two are so dedicated to make everyting as authentic as possible, they just did it. With a little help from a bottle of Vodka (liike the interview said en they mentioned it again in the audio comments).
morrobay:
I'm not on Facebook, so I can't see the comments, but I'm not surprised.
I wonder if Lacant and the actors would consider it, I think it could be very successful. If they do, they should definitely release it in theatres in the US, not just at queer film festivals. I think it would appeal to a much larger audience if it was promoted.
Yeah, Marc could never go back to Bettina - and I'm sure she wouldn't have him back.
There are a few fanfiction stories out there already, some are good, some not so good. As you said, so many people weren't happy with the ending, so some are taking to writing their own ending, most involve Marc looking up Kay and going to him.
Yeah, naked. They are. I thought I read somewhere, can't remember where, that Hanno had it in his contract for no frontal nudity - I guess Max was a little more, uh, ok with that. He's all about authenticity and integrity in his work - he's pretty damn authentic. I'm surprised that a star of his caliber in Germany would agree to that.
gattaca:
--- Quote from: butlers_fantasy on May 03, 2014, 10:56:06 am --- Do you agree with some of reviews out there, that this was “abuse” or “almost rape”? I find that a particularly offensive comparison. But yes, he is freaked out by his own desires for Kay. I found it interesting that, unlike Ennis, he is able to look Kay in the eye, even after something so intimate.
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On the forest scene, first encounter, no (my opinion) on the "almost rape" and the same on Marc being "sexually assaulted" (though someone with a legal license may argue differently).
Marc is MORE than capable of punching Kay (we saw later) and/or defending himself as we saw with Gregor. It's not like Kay had Marc pinned down, hog-tied, chained, roped, wire-tied or physically bound in any way by walls etc.. The shoves and push backs from Marc were him trying to decide whether what he thought was happening was happening from Kay. Would Kay back track this time and go "just joking around. Sorry, chill out" as he did with the joint exchange earlier after running at the rock OR would Kay really show his hand (ok...) and let his intentions and desires for Marc be known.
It seems it would be quite difficult to jerk off a guy who is standing and who really does not want the hand job. There are simply too many escape routes available. A punch would have been a firmer no but we did not see that. Cheers, V.
gattaca:
--- Quote from: butlers_fantasy on May 03, 2014, 10:56:06 am --- As for the birthing class, since I was so invested in the relationship between the 2 men, it took me a few viewings to realize that he was there to learn how to “breathe evenly” with Bettina.
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This was a great catch. I missed it too until you pointed it out. Both lovers were trying to teach Marc to "breath evenly..." wow. nice. V.
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