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Free Fall - Freier Fall
gattaca:
--- Quote from: butlers_fantasy on May 03, 2014, 10:56:06 am ---Again with the time line, we don’t really know how long it took to get there. He is very relaxed, seems totally giving (which I loved) – until they get out of bed. Although the scene on the balcony is lovely and Kay seems to be totally in love (the way he looks at him! *sigh*), Marc is more reserved, more detached. “Ever want to leave it all behind and start over?” “Not really.” It’s like he’s using Kay.
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Yes. This is where we see again the selfish side of Marc.. me, not really. that was cold. V.
gattaca:
--- Quote from: butlers_fantasy on May 03, 2014, 10:56:06 am ---What did you think of the club scene? I didn’t like it at first, but now I love it! They’re both kind of dorky out there, but they look so cute and in love. Even Marc, rubbing Kay’s shoulder and his hand on his neck; and he’s having so much fun! Something he’s not having at home anymore. When Kay brings out the pills, I thought it was Viagra so they could make love all night, but consensus is it’s xtc, and I guess that’s right. Kay is such a bad influence!
In the locker room, Kay does seem to be an outsider; but I didn't interpret Marc's look at Kay as checking to see if he's happy for him. I thought Marc was wondering how it affected Kay, maybe one of the few times Marc actually thought of Kay's feelings. IDK, I could be wrong.
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The club scene, while I get it, maybe I'm just too old but they felt a bit out of place. I always pictured the club scenes, and from the ones I've seen, to cater to the younger crowds. Both Marc and Kay, at least for me, seem in the late 20's and a bit more mature to need the "clubbing"... I think this was done for effect to show how far Kay could coax Marc into shifting.. ..perhaps?
Yes, I can see your point about the locker room.. is this birth celebration hurting Kay? But I felt, knowing what we've seen it was more Marc concerned about Marc.. V.
gattaca:
--- Quote from: butlers_fantasy on May 03, 2014, 10:56:06 am ---Very well put. Did the director put Limpinski next to Marc on purpose? On the same side? And Britt. I liked her character.
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Yes. To show the hate and disdain seated right beside you.. that would be directed to Marc once he learned Marc's circumstances.. V.
gattaca:
--- Quote from: butlers_fantasy on May 03, 2014, 10:56:06 am ---I didn’t think she said she failed in raising him. She said she “didn’t raise him to be like that.” Which kind of doesn’t make sense to me. What hetero couple would raise their kid to be gay? Or straight, for that matter. What I mean is, you can't raise a child to be one way or another.
Yes, he did finally get a bit of a backbone and came down pretty hard on her. And how did he get home? He took a taxi to the hospital, he should have taken one home, instead of calling his mom.
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From my POV, that's implied... if you turned out like this, then we failed in "raising you right".. I've been on the receiving side of similar conversations and it was clear to me what she was implying. I agree, you hope your kids find your own way but in areas where there is only ONE way, once word gets out that the kids did not turn out "right..." then the community automatically wonders WTH did the parents not do for their kids.. implying failure.
Not sure about how he got home.. seems a Taxi would be likely. I find it difficult to believe he would have gotten back in that car at that time. V.
gattaca:
--- Quote from: butlers_fantasy on May 03, 2014, 10:56:06 am --- To me, this is the “short dirty fight” that Ennis picks with the guy in the pick-up, after Thanksgiving dinner at Alma’s, when she tells him she knows the truth.
As for Limpinski: Is he a latent homosexual? The scene in the bar is strange. Is he trying to recreate his time with Kay? Why take x? He was not a drug guy by any means, and it doesn’t work that fast, he was on that guy in a second. One thing I did not like was when he raised his fist to hit the guy; another place where the director took it right to the edge and brought it back.
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Not sure about Limpinski - nice choice for a name aye? There have been studies I've read which implies those exhibiting the most strong homophobic behaviors may be latent.. Yes on the BBM scene with Ennis punching the guy thru the truck window - raging anger.
The bar scene (to me) is Marc's uber desperate attempt to replace Kay's touch or feeling with another lover... he's grown fond (enjoyed) the experience. It is there, in the stall with the other guy, that he realizes it is ALL gone.. Kay is gone, Bettina is gone and a blow job by a stranger is not and never will be Kay. I sort of flashed to the Jack "Tell you what" scene at the tent with Ennis the last time they were together - though there's no one for Marc to tell.. Marc's experiences with X or most substances seemed very sheltered / limited (back to the parents...) and only have been with Kay. Yes the raised fist is symbolic of Marc fighting / anger with himself but then realizes he can leave.. back to the forest.. only this time he does leave V.
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