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Title: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: twistedude on May 05, 2006, 08:40:13 am: Since my review was the 600th, probably most of you have read it. I read it at one sitting---of NINE HOURS.

"Human Interest" by madlori

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2759902/1/ (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2759902/1/)

Sequel, "Two Crows Joy"--hey, best title I ever read! Anywhere, for any medium. I can't stop saying it...
One crow sorrow, two crows joy
Three crows a girl, four crows a boy
Five crows silver, six crows gold
Seven crows a secret never to be told
Eight crows a wish, nine crows a kiss,
Ten crows a time of joyous bliss.

--American folk rhyme

When I think of writing a stoiry about Jack and Ennis, it's always limited tyo two lines of conversationm:

Ennis: Where'd everone go? It's so quiet...
Jack: There ain't anyone else, Bud...

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/1/ (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/1/)
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: JennyC on May 08, 2006, 01:47:56 pm: Julie,

They are among my top five favorites too! The new chapter (chapter 7) for “Two Crows Joy” is the best so far. I also like chapter 3 where Jack took Ennis out on a date, very sweet and romantic.

Another one that you should not miss is “Somebody New” (http://jennasts.livejournal.com/)

Here are my top five (in no particular order)
Human Interest
Two Crows Joy
A love Born from Steel
Somebody New
Big Boots of Pain
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: twistedude on May 08, 2006, 05:58:37 pm: Jenny: I can't stand it anymore, limiting myself to one chapter a day..I have to read chapter 7...no more 9 hour sessions...though.
My story has 86 hits, but only a few (very nice) comments...doesn't asnuyone like it...er, think it's good (what's to like?)
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: MaineWriter on May 31, 2006, 09:57:53 am: Just got an update that MadLori has writer's block plus some real life issues to deal with (real life, what's that?) so we may not be getting an update on Two Crows Joy for awhile...

L
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: JennyC on May 31, 2006, 08:01:55 pm: Quote from: lnicoll on May 31, 2006, 09:57:53 am
Just got an update that MadLori has writer's block plus some real life issues to deal with (real life, what's that?) so we may not be getting an update on Two Crows Joy for awhile...

L

And there is a nasty comment on Human Interest site complaining no TCJ updates. It was "anonymous" of course.

I am patient, but secretly hope there will be an update soon.
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: twistedude on May 31, 2006, 10:13:25 pm: "Writer's block" for fanfiction...must be somethintg serious, I kid you not, because thre mian problem is normally how to STOP writing, and mind your business...I imagine whatever it is, it musty be pretty weighty. And we should all be as patient as we have to be...

Best of everything with whatever it is, MadLori...
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: Lumière on June 01, 2006, 02:11:04 am: I have enjoyed Human Interest and 2 Crows Joy as well.

I know that there haven't been updates for TCJ for a while, and I thought it might be simply because life happened. She mentioned that she was trying to get something published, I guess - so I thought she might've been busy with that too..who knows.

It is a great story, and I'll wait and hope that she updates it.
Whatever it is, I wish her all the best and hope to read from her soon! :)
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: PatSinnott on June 02, 2006, 02:25:13 pm: I have devoured all of her writing, and have recommended it to many friends and members of the imdb board. I keep checking for the next chapter in TCJ.
We all need to remember she is a professional writer, and has deadlines and stories to do to earn a living. What she is doing for us is a labor of love.

Thanks madlori for the love.....

PatSinnott
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: SFEnnisSF on June 03, 2006, 05:41:40 pm: I'm up to chapter 9 on "Human Interest". If this were made into a movie, who do you see playing Liz? I keep seeing Jami Gertz (a la "Twister") or Julia Roberts...
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: MaineWriter on June 04, 2006, 09:20:43 am: Quote from: sfericsf on June 03, 2006, 05:41:40 pm
I'm up to chapter 9 on "Human Interest". If this were made into a movie, who do you see playing Liz? I keep seeing Jami Gertz (a la "Twister") or Julia Roberts...

Not Julia Roberts, I don't picture her as that pretty or that tall. Julia Stiles, maybe?
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: chrissyc on June 13, 2006, 12:53:59 pm: First let me say that i love human interest and am in the process of reading two crows joy...i guess suffice it to say i'd love anything w/jack and ennis...LOVE THESE TWO

i do have a question tho for anyone....i am in the process of reading green eyes..yeah, i know i wish i hadnt started it but i did and now i have to find the rest of it and hope this person puts jack and ennis together....are there more than 12 chapters and if so where do i find them?

i have heard about big boots of pain...anythoughts on that one from anyone....and where can it be found?

do you look these stories up by name or author? is there a particular web page for all the them...

thanks a lot...i am addicted to jack and ennis forever i am afraid
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: MaineWriter on June 13, 2006, 12:59:12 pm: Quote from: chrissyc on June 13, 2006, 12:53:59 pm
First let me say that i love human interest and am in the process of reading two crows joy...i guess suffice it to say i'd love anything w/jack and ennis...LOVE THESE TWO

i do have a question tho for anyone....i am in the process of reading green eyes..yeah, i know i wish i hadnt started it but i did and now i have to find the rest of it and hope this person puts jack and ennis together....are there more than 12 chapters and if so where do i find them?

i have heard about big boots of pain...anythoughts on that one from anyone....and where can it be found?

do you look these stories up by name or author? is there a particular web page for all the them...

thanks a lot...i am addicted to jack and ennis forever i am afraid

Over on davecullen.com there is a forum called "The Juicy Bits" and that has slash links by author and title. Seems to be the most comprehensive list I have found. Here's the link but it may not work...you need to register to get in.

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?board=39.0 (http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?board=39.0)

Chrissy...make my day and tell me you are reading my story, "A Love Born From Steel."

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: chrissyc on June 13, 2006, 01:08:31 pm: Leslie, first off thanks a bunch for the link...

i am in the middle of somebody new, some silver lining, two crows joy, and last of all green eyes..i love all of these...well not loving green eyes at this time..just hoping it ends well...

i told my friend that a love born from steele was next....she and i read together and discuss..ok we cry mostly...lol...girl ,yours is the one i am gonna start...have read great things about it...

these, as you know, are quite addictive...my job allows me the time to read all hours of the night and into the next day...

i just hate for these to end...and hopefully they end w/jack and ennis together.

thanks again, cc
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: MaineWriter on June 13, 2006, 01:23:54 pm: Quote from: chrissyc on June 13, 2006, 01:08:31 pm
Leslie, first off thanks a bunch for the link...

i am in the middle of somebody new, some silver lining, two crows joy, and last of all green eyes..i love all of these...well not loving green eyes at this time..just hoping it ends well...

i told my friend that a love born from steele was next....she and i read together and discuss..ok we cry mostly...lol...girl ,yours is the one i am gonna start...have read great things about it...

these, as you know, are quite addictive...my job allows me the time to read all hours of the night and into the next day...

i just hate for these to end...and hopefully they end w/jack and ennis together.

thanks again, cc

My story will finish on Friday so you will have the luxury of reading it chapter by chapter and not have to wait for the next installment. Believe me, I am a Jack & Ennis forever writer and I don't think I'm giving too much away to say it has a happy ending....with more than a few tears along the way.

Leslie
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: chrissyc on June 13, 2006, 04:54:35 pm: Leslie, i cant thank you enough...i just returned home and found the dave cullen site...everything i need is there...you are great..and cant wait to start your story..

chrissy
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 05:59:18 am: Everyone...

You'll all be thrilled to know that a new chapter of Two Crows Joy has been posted

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/52152.html#cutid1 (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/52152.html#cutid1)

L
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: JennyC on June 30, 2006, 01:13:41 pm: Leslie, you beat me to the news. Yes I am thrilled and relieved. :)
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: Penthesilea on June 30, 2006, 01:19:25 pm: Quote from: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 05:59:18 am
Everyone...

You'll all be thrilled to know that a new chapter of Two Crows Joy has been posted

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/52152.html#cutid1 (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/52152.html#cutid1)

L

Leslie, thanks for the good news. I'm thrilled and relieved, too. I worried the story won't be finished and the writer just stopped for good.
I'll wait until the kids are in bed and I can enjoy the read without a distraction every second minute. That will make my evening :)
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: Lumière on June 30, 2006, 01:25:12 pm: Quote from: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 05:59:18 am
Everyone...

You'll all be thrilled to know that a new chapter of Two Crows Joy has been posted

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/52152.html#cutid1 (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/52152.html#cutid1)

L

:D :D :D
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: SFEnnisSF on June 30, 2006, 03:43:24 pm: I finished Chapter 7 on the plane here to Atlanta. I can't wait to read the new Chapter 8! :D
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: tamarack on June 30, 2006, 05:58:11 pm: SPOILER - CHAPTER 7

I don't want to ruin this chapter for anyone so I'm giving you fair warning. ;) I just want to say that I thought the conversation that Jack and Alma had was absolutely the conversation that they really would have had, had they met under these circumstances. I don't know how madlori does it, but she has kept these 2 stores so completely plausible that it is sometimes hard to separate them from the movie. I was just blown away by the whole conversation.

I do my reading at night so I haven't read chapter 8 yet, but I'm going to stick my neck out here and make a comment that I may have to eat later on! When she asks Jack "Does he say it to you?" and Jack says "Yeah. He does." (No explanation needed - they both know what she's talking about - we all know what she's talking about.) Then Alma says "Well, that's that then. 'Cause he ain't never said it t' me."
I believe that Alma has finally reached the place where she can let Ennis go, and all the bad feelings for Jack, too, although maybe not on the spot.

I know I've been in that place before, where there's been anger, or love, or whatever that I just couldn't let go of, and all of a sudden something will happen, or someone will say something , maybe something that I've heard 20 times before, but the 21st time is the time that it just sounds different and it finally hits home, and things change. I think Alma is there now, which is why she didn't even bother to look up when Ennis and Jack came into the living room, sat on the couch next to each other and took each other's hand, "casual like it was any other day." Alma's over it - she's moving on.

Did anyone else get this feeling or do you think I'm way off course here?

For what it's worth.
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: RouxB on June 30, 2006, 06:41:08 pm: You guys got me all excited-this chapter has been posted on FanFic for ages :'(

Durn it all!

O0
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: MaineWriter on June 30, 2006, 07:01:13 pm: Quote from: RouxB on June 30, 2006, 06:41:08 pm
You guys got me all excited-this chapter has been posted on FanFic for ages :'(

Durn it all!

O0

Roux
Chapter 8 is up but I think it is on LiveJournal only:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/52152.html#cutid1

Leslie
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: RouxB on June 30, 2006, 07:19:04 pm: Puuuurrrfect! Thanks Leslie!

O0
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: marakeshsparrow on July 04, 2006, 11:48:46 am: Quote from: tamarack on June 30, 2006, 05:58:11 pm
SPOILER - CHAPTER 7

I don't want to ruin this chapter for anyone so I'm giving you fair warning. ;) I just want to say that I thought the conversation that Jack and Alma had was absolutely the conversation that they really would have had, had they met under these circumstances. I don't know how madlori does it, but she has kept these 2 stores so completely plausible that it is sometimes hard to separate them from the movie. I was just blown away by the whole conversation.

I know I've been in that place before, where there's been anger, or love, or whatever that I just couldn't let go of, and all of a sudden something will happen, or someone will say something , maybe something that I've heard 20 times before, but the 21st time is the time that it just sounds different and it finally hits home, and things change. I think Alma is there now, which is why she didn't even bother to look up when Ennis and Jack came into the living room, sat on the couch next to each other and took each other's hand, "casual like it was any other day." Alma's over it - she's moving on.

Did anyone else get this feeling or do you think I'm way off course here?

For what it's worth.

Totally agree with everything just said. I think the convo in chapter 7 is one of the best things Madlori's written. It was so real, and intense, and perfect really. Just wonderful. Also, yes, me thinks Alma is moving on, especially after reading chapter 8. Ah, I love this story. Tis wonderful!
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: tamarack on July 04, 2006, 12:37:40 pm: Thanks for chiming in, Marakesh. Glad you agree. I haven't read chapter 8 yet. In fact I had been waiting since Two Crows Joy started for there to be a backlog of chapters because I don't like the stories to get cold as I'm waiting for more. Finally I kind of gave up and started reading and was just blown away by madlori again.
Title: New chapter of Two Crows Joy by madlori
Post by: Penthesilea on August 03, 2006, 07:32:47 pm: After my holidays I checked my favourite fanfics and was glad to see that madlori added a new chapter of TCJ today. It's chapter 9. It can be read either on livejournal or on fanfiction. Here are the two links:

livejournal:
http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/53693.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/53693.html)

fanfiction.net:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/9/ (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/9/)

Hope you enjoy it as much as I did :)
Title: Re: New chapter of Two Crows Joy by madlori
Post by: littleguitar on August 03, 2006, 07:51:31 pm: I'm really excited, I was in the middle of rereading the chapters she'd already posted when she posted the new one... I can't wait to read it tonight!
Title: Re: New chapter of Two Crows Joy by madlori
Post by: tamarack on August 03, 2006, 09:48:52 pm: Wow! I am so glad to know this. It's too late tonight but I will definitely be reading this tomorrow. I thought that the last two chapters were just incredible. The conversations between Jack and Alma, and Ennis and Alma, were exactly the way those talks would have gone if they had actually taken place, IMO. Hopefully chapter 9 will be the first of many more very soon.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: littleguitar on August 16, 2006, 08:30:35 am: Chapters 10 and 11 are up, she posted 10 a couple of days ago and 11 last night...
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: JennyC on August 16, 2006, 01:37:54 pm: I was up late last night packing for my vacation and found out the new chapter. :) Needless to say, I have stopped packing and had to finish the chapter. It was a very nice surprise.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on September 03, 2006, 02:19:45 am: Hello all, this is my first time posting here (I only found out these forums existed a few weeks ago). Thank you for all you kind words and support.

I've had some real-life stuff going on (people moving out, moving in, redecorating, yadda yadda) and it's slowed me down some. But I plan to have chapter 12 of TCJ up in the next few days.

In the meantime, I propose some questions for discussion:

1. Why does Jack's father keep calling?
2. Should Peter ask Liz to marry him, and why or why not?
3. Is the hatchet really buried with Alma?

Propose your own, if you wish.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on September 03, 2006, 07:32:15 am: Quote from: MadLori on September 03, 2006, 02:19:45 am
In the meantime, I propose some questions for discussion:

1. Why does Jack's father keep calling?
2. Should Peter ask Liz to marry him, and why or why not?
3. Is the hatchet really buried with Alma?

Propose your own, if you wish.

Hiya, welcome to Bettermost! Nice of you to join us! I loved your stories, and I am anxiously awaiting your next chapter for Two Crows Joy. I am a sucker for dialogue and that's probably why I got so hooked on your stories (I have to admit I only started reading them two weeks ago...but I read all the chapters in one sitting...).

AD1: I am not sure if in your story he is still trying to maintain his ranch, if so, he might have problems with it, and he might need Jack and Ennis' help? I am really not sure if he is starting to feel regret for how he treated Jack in his childhood, or both of them the last time he saw them.
AD2: Yes, we should have another party on the Brokeback ranch! Is Liz ready though? I am not sure, does she still have some unresolved Jack-issues? I think you mentioned something about that in one of the last chapters. Or with her previous marriage? I think Peter is ready, but I am not sure about Liz...?
AD3: Yes, in my opinion it is, I think she is still dealing with it, but on her own. And I really loved how you treaded that dangerous area in fiction, because it must've been PRETTY awkward for her! You did that really well.

Good luck with writing the next chapter!

Mel
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Lumière on September 04, 2006, 12:14:22 am: Lori ~ Welcome to Bettermost!
It is indeed great to have you here.
I have enjoyed reading your stories! :)

Quote from: MadLori on September 03, 2006, 02:19:45 am
In the meantime, I propose some questions for discussion:

1. Why does Jack's father keep calling?
2. Should Peter ask Liz to marry him, and why or why not?
3. Is the hatchet really buried with Alma?

1. Maybe he is trying to make peace in his own inadequate way. Maybe he is trying to keep in touch with his son and make amends after all the way he treated him in his childhood.

2. Peter should go for it. They seem to love each other. I wonder if Liz would be ready to take the leap though.

3. I think it is 95% buried. I believe she needs to sleep on it some more and think of all the words she exchanged with jack and Ennis on this Christmas trip .. I am glad she got to air out some of her frustrations, and I thought it was very sweet of Jack to give her that family photograph as a present!

:)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: tamarack on September 04, 2006, 08:04:04 pm: Lori, welcome to BetterMost! Back in February when I didn't know what to do with the sadness I was feeling from watching the movie over and over, I found a chapter of Human Interest somewhere, I don't even remember where. It took me a while to figure out how to get to the beginning of the story but when I did it was the first good night's sleep that I had had for several weeks, just knowing that the boys were together and that they were okay. Pretty pathetic, I know! :) Thank you so much for all that you have given us.

I loved the conversations with Alma. If she and Jack had ever had a chance to talk, I really believe that that is what would have been said. After the first time she talked to Jack, when she said "Does he say it to you?" and Jack told her "Yeah. He does," I said to myself, that's it. Alma's over it. It took that to do it, but now she can let it go.

And then the talk with Ennis, asking about things that you know are going to hurt you, but you still have to do it. I have been there. I have done that.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on September 04, 2006, 11:14:15 pm: The conversations between Alma and Jack, and Alma and Ennis, were something I'd planned for a long time, ever since I decided that I was going to bring Alma to Farmingdale for Christmas. I agonized over it ahead of time, but when it came time to actually set down those talks, it was surprisingly easy. I'm glad (and relieved) that those exchanges seem to have worked for people.

Chapter 12 is proving a rather tough nut to crack. Back at it!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on September 05, 2006, 08:34:06 am: Welcome to Bettermost, Lori! As another avid reader of your stories I'm glad to see you here.

Quote from: MadLori on September 03, 2006, 02:19:45 am
In the meantime, I propose some questions for discussion:

1. Why does Jack's father keep calling?
2. Should Peter ask Liz to marry him, and why or why not?
3. Is the hatchet really buried with Alma?

1.
For the story: most apparent thought is that he - in a hidden and tiny place of his soul - cares about Jack. That he slowly and on a very low level starts to see that he had not done right by him, maybe even feels regrets.
But based on my experiences in RL I'd say this is rather unlikely: abusive parents rarely find a level of (late) insight. It would be quite disturbing for their own self-image and so it happens not often. It's easier to keep saying to oneself, that you have done what you had to do, for whatever reasons. No subterfuge is too far-fetched.

2.
No. First it's too early for Liz. Second: They don't even live together yet, haven't shared everyday life with all it's little pitfalls. Never marry anyone you haven't lived with together in one household for a while!

3.
Yes. There may be some more issues and coming differences, but no hate.
Jack and Alma (and Ennis and Alma) probably won't be good friends. But they don't have to. It's enough when they can be civil with each other and respect each other. They don't need to be this || close.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on September 08, 2006, 12:06:24 am: New chapter!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/57126.html
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: littleguitar on September 08, 2006, 12:35:57 am: I think I must have signed on at the exact time you posted this... I finished reading it a few minutes ago, very nice! I was really excite to see an update ;D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on September 08, 2006, 08:27:37 am: That was a nice chapter. I liked Jack's little admission to Liz that he was "getting his Christmas present." ;)

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on September 08, 2006, 07:30:48 pm: Quote from: MadLori on September 03, 2006, 02:19:45 am
Hello all, this is my first time posting here (I only found out these forums existed a few weeks ago). Thank you for all you kind words and support.

I've had some real-life stuff going on (people moving out, moving in, redecorating, yadda yadda) and it's slowed me down some. But I plan to have chapter 12 of TCJ up in the next few days.

In the meantime, I propose some questions for discussion:

1. Why does Jack's father keep calling?
2. Should Peter ask Liz to marry him, and why or why not?
3. Is the hatchet really buried with Alma?

Propose your own, if you wish.

1. Why does Jack's father keep calling?
I think he is facing his own mortality and figuring out that any son is better than no son. His son is doing very well for himself, and I keep thinking that John would like to get closer if he knew how.
Emotions don't come easy for men like him, and I think he is finally grown up enough to try to make things better between them.
(yes there is always the possibility that he does need some help now, but he must know that after all that has gone before, Jack is not going to abandon the place he has built for himself to do much more than give moral support to the "homestead". that is also a reality he has/is probably facing, and wondering how to handle it too if that is indeed the case., I just choose to think not.)
there is one more thing I think about---quite possibly the ranch has been getting too much at his age, and maybe they are needing to start thinking of either moving off to somewhere else---and it scares him so much he is hoping that by trying to talk to the boys--Jack may actually ask him, and find out that they may need help making some VERY TOUGH decisions--like--where do we go from here when we can't do our life's work anymore on the place I have worked my whole life to keep??? Sometimes whether they want to face it or not--life makes one's children into the hard choices that once upon a time was a position for parents only. (having just moved my Mother in law into an assisted living facility, because the day to day got more than she could handle, and we couldn't really physically help enough---this possibility really stays on my mind!! John is just too distanced, and scared that Jack may not actually want to help him and his mother--and I imagine it scares him to death, and because Jack isn't there full time--he may not even realize that hard choices are maybe becoming necessary. Just a thought.

2. I think he could approach it by letting her know how seriously in love with her he is.
I don't think that an immediate proposal will get him what he wants--but if she knows she can have time with his love--I don't see anything wrong with it----basically she is still sort of on the rebound--so time doesn't hurt either of them. He has been alone alot longer than she has, and he has some happiness associated with marriage--she doesn't---I still like slow with them.

3. In my opinion, YES, will she forget the pain, no, but she has other important people to think about and she really isn't mooning over Ennis anymore anyway---bitterness may still come through from time to time, but she is communicating better with both of them than she ever has before, and communications always bring better understanding---not that she is going to invite them to come to WY and visit or anything, but she was more than civil, and that is certainly an excellent start to better relations with Ennis as well as grudgingly accepting Jack. She already knows she is not going to do herself any favors by hanging on to any leftover bitterness. Waste of her energy--she isn't dumb.

OH Lori, thanks so much for Chapt. 12---really a nice read, through the tears---notwithstanding!!
But really enjoyed the update. Thanks.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on September 15, 2006, 10:43:37 pm: Two Crows Joy, Chapter 13

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/58386.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/58386.html)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on September 16, 2006, 06:53:14 am: For those who like Fanfiction.net, it is also here:

URL: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/13/

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on September 16, 2006, 07:07:44 am: I think the fanfic authors of the BBM fandom have an unspoken contest going to see who can write the best last sentence of a chapter. I know Lori is reading the Laramie Saga and Louise has great sentences over and over again...but Lori, this one is a very worthy contender:

Ennis shook his head. “I’m fine enough? Darlin’, you could turn the Pope queer.”

Great chapter!

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: littleguitar on September 16, 2006, 10:21:50 pm: Quote from: MadLori on September 03, 2006, 02:19:45 am
Hello all, this is my first time posting here (I only found out these forums existed a few weeks ago). Thank you for all you kind words and support.

I've had some real-life stuff going on (people moving out, moving in, redecorating, yadda yadda) and it's slowed me down some. But I plan to have chapter 12 of TCJ up in the next few days.

In the meantime, I propose some questions for discussion:

1. Why does Jack's father keep calling?
2. Should Peter ask Liz to marry him, and why or why not?
3. Is the hatchet really buried with Alma?

Propose your own, if you wish.

I just wanted to take a stab at #1... I could be way off base, but every time Jack's father calls, I get the sinking suspicion that Jack's mother has died and that John Sr. doesn't know how to tell him... and is lonely and is trying to reach out to his son who is the only family he has left. Jack still hasn't told him that Bobby's died has he? That's just the feeling I always get, but, then again, I have a tendency to jump to conclusions :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on September 18, 2006, 04:31:39 pm: Excellent-thanks for getting us the new chapter!!
Very nice.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on September 20, 2006, 12:04:05 pm: Chapter 14 is up!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/59317.html
Title: Re: "Human Interest" by MadLori; "Two Crows Joy" by same.
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 20, 2006, 02:26:59 pm: Quote from: MaineWriter on June 04, 2006, 09:20:43 am
Not Julia Roberts, I don't picture her as that pretty or that tall. Julia Stiles, maybe?
just can see julia in it either,, she is too pretty,
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on September 21, 2006, 07:25:38 am: Wow, does the pain ever stop for poor Jack????

:'(

Excellent chapters!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on September 21, 2006, 10:27:30 am: Thank you for the new chapter!!
Lori, do you want any "spoiler" type discussion/opinions here, like what we do in LJ and ff.net?
Or is this mostly for letting us know about new chapters and/or Questions and our Answers/Opinions??
Just curious, don't want to start anything unwanted.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on September 21, 2006, 11:23:14 am: Quote from: ranchgal on September 21, 2006, 10:27:30 am
Thank you for the new chapter!!
Lori, do you want any "spoiler" type discussion/opinions here, like what we do in LJ and ff.net?
Or is this mostly for letting us know about new chapters and/or Questions and our Answers/Opinions??
Just curious, don't want to start anything unwanted.

Speaking as a moderator, I would think spoiler type discussions are fine, as long as you preface your comment with a spoiler notation and some space. I, for one, would like to talk about some issues and I know Lori is open to discussing her stories.

Lori likes the chat, too, and tends to be there in the evening (she is in Ohio, so eastern time zone, US).

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on September 21, 2006, 03:35:52 pm: Hi there, just wanted to pitch in and say that Human Interest was the first fan fic that I really got into and was hooked from the start. It's so professionally written and it feels real to me - how life would have been for the boys had they decided (or shoud I say, had Jack convinced Ennis) to make a go of a life together.

In fact for quite a while I convinced myself that this was really how the story panned out, and not the story/film version. Does that make sense?

SPOILER

Anyway - last couple of chapters - WOW! Go Ennis! I'm really hope that no backlash is visited upon him whilst Jack is away. As for Pa Twist, I kind of suspected the reason why he was calling, but I thought that it was he that was ill and he wanted to make his peace. Poor Jack - he is having a hell of a time isn't he?

Oh and post party scene - v hot. You write very good love scenes Lori. Sexy and hot, but tender too. “I’m fine enough? Darlin’, you could turn the Pope queer.” - Oh yes indeedy!!!!!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on September 24, 2006, 02:32:34 am: Chapter 15:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/59641.html
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: belbbmfan on September 24, 2006, 04:02:47 am: SPOILER SPOILER

“C’mere,” Ennis said, pulling him close. “Need a good-bye kiss.” He dipped his head and kissed Jack, softly. Jack shut his eyes, inhaling Ennis’s scent, storing up sense memories to recall lying alone in the dark with eyes closed. The sound of Ennis’s sleep-breathing, the trod of his footsteps, the roughness of his palms. The collection of perceptions that together made up that image of Ennis he held in his mind and carried with him wherever he went. You think I’m goin alone, darlin, Jack thought. What you don’t know is I’m takin you with me."

Madlori
Oh, that was just beautiful. So sweet. Loving with all your senses. Can these two be any more in love?
I hope we'll have a reunion scene very soon, but something tells me that Jack's trip home is going to be very rough, for both of them.
Thank you for this chapter.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on September 24, 2006, 12:11:35 pm: Chapter 15? OMG- I need to keep up!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: littleguitar on September 24, 2006, 02:30:57 pm: Quote from: mvansand76 on September 24, 2006, 12:11:35 pm
Chapter 15? OMG- I need to keep up!

LOL me too... when was ch. 15 posted?? I'm a wreck, too many fan fics, too little time! ;D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 11:20:32 am: Lori - another wonderful installment in your story. You write so well, your characters are so well rounded.

Chewing my nails now wondering what awaits Jack on his trip to Lightening Flat, especially as their parting felt like a goodbye. I'm still wondering if we've seen the last of Forrester.

Really looking forward to the next update.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on September 25, 2006, 11:59:10 am: OMG dont mention Forester!! :o :o :o Thing is, last time he wanted to get Ennis and he wasnt there.Now, Jack is gone and Ennis IS there, on his own!! :o :o :o OH Christ I shal worry myself silly now. :'( :'(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 06:19:59 pm: Quote from: souxi on September 25, 2006, 11:59:10 am
OMG dont mention Forester!! :o :o :o Thing is, last time he wanted to get Ennis and he wasnt there.Now, Jack is gone and Ennis IS there, on his own!! :o :o :o OH Christ I shal worry myself silly now. :'( :'(

Oh my - I'm sorry Souxi. Didn't meant to stress you out there. I've got some fruit and nut left from last night, have a chunk and it might help take your mind off nasty things hapening to the boys.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on September 26, 2006, 04:49:49 am: Quote from: Kazza on September 25, 2006, 06:19:59 pm
Oh my - I'm sorry Souxi. Didn't meant to stress you out there. I've got some fruit and nut left from last night, have a chunk and it might help take your mind off nasty things hapening to the boys.

Yum yum thank you Karen, I love fruit and nut. I,m chewing my fingernails until the next update. I shall be thinking of Ennis, alone at night, and I shall be wondering whats lurking outside now!! :o :o :o :o :o. God almighty theres always something to give then two grief isnt there? :'( :'(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on September 27, 2006, 05:28:08 am: Oooooo.. thank you Lori, another update so soon. You've got us on the edge of our seats again.

SPOILER

Good to se that Jack's mum isn't as bad as he expected. A trip to Gilette beckons eh? Could prove interesting! Fair play to Jack for standing up to his dad - I do like Jack with his blood up. I just knew there was gonna be a backlash to the party kiss. Why do people have to be so closed minded?

Once again, beathlessly awaiting the next chapter
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on September 27, 2006, 05:52:44 am: Chapter 16 is up and for those who like to read on Fanfiction.net, here's the link:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/16/

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: JennyC on September 28, 2006, 06:02:07 pm: Chapter 17 is up! Lori is on a roll. :)

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/60040.html#cutid1
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on September 28, 2006, 09:40:21 pm: I am really impressed by the way you are writing Jack's handling his parents---tender enough with Mom and tough enough with Dad--can hardly wait to see where you take us with them.

Spoiler??..........

Thank YOU very much for the newest update------HOWEVER------------!!!!!!!!!
Dog gone it Lori---for heaven't sake don't leave us up on this cliff-----we need rescuing NOW!!
OMG--I thought my stomach was bugging me from the last chapter----sheeesh---it wasn't the chicken, it was this newest chapter--OMG!! Don't let any of the animals or people be hurt okay!!
I hate this!! It is the one thing I am really worried about most of the time around our place too.
YYYEEEEWWWWW!!!!

You know I have been thinking, this isn't just vandalism now, we are talking BIG BUCKS of damage here, as well as arson---they should be able to catch them and really really prosecute them like prison prosecute.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on September 29, 2006, 06:31:30 am: Whoo-wee - how happy was I to find an update this morning!

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Oh dear - so much grief for the boys to deal with. What nasty piece of work set fire to the stables then eh? Ennis will be devastated if any of his beloved horses are harmed. Oh no - just had a thought, didn't they get Junior a new horse for Christmas?

Too much angst. And Ennis doesn't even have Jack with him. On that note I hope that Jack's mum turns out to be OK. Or perhaps a move to Vermont might be in order????

Arghhhh... hanging on for next update.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: littleguitar on September 29, 2006, 09:25:05 am: just wanted to say, I'm loving these fast updates lately!! Thanks :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on September 30, 2006, 01:05:25 pm: This is wonderful and nerve-wracking at the same time... :P :o
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on October 03, 2006, 08:48:26 am: Yipee - another new chapter today!!! Thank you Lori!!! ;D

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/60646.html

I love this fic!!

SPOILER

So, we may soon know who the snakes in the grass are. How will Jack react when he hears about the attack on the stables (at least it wasn't the house I guess)? I'm glad that Lizzie didn't tell him anything. No point getting him worried with Ennis asleep. I loved the fact that both boys feel the absence of the other so keenly, they just compliment each other and work better as a partnership.

Jack: “Times like this I surely miss Ennis. I know y’all think that I’m Mr. Sunny-Side-Up, saying everythin’s okay. Whatcha don’t know is I’m only able ta be like that cause I got him backin me up.”

Is Mamma Twist going to be moving to Vermont? She can live a the 'girls' house maybe. Not sure I'd like to see old ManTwist there though.

Right, I'm off to read it again.

Karen
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 08:51:08 am: For those who prefer the fanfic interface (ie, me) here's a link:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/18/

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Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on October 03, 2006, 11:14:12 am: Not sure what is going on--my fanfic.net link only goes to 17. And I can't find 18 at all, not through your link either.
BUT I do have the link to LJ, and that is working fine.
Is anyone else having any problems getting the new chapter on ff.n?
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on October 03, 2006, 11:19:09 am: That's weird. Chapter 18 is there on my author control panel, but it isn't there when you're actually in the story. Huh.

Well, not much I can do about it. At least we have El Jay!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on October 03, 2006, 11:26:34 am: Quote from: MadLori on October 03, 2006, 11:19:09 am
That's weird. Chapter 18 is there on my author control panel, but it isn't there when you're actually in the story. Huh.

Well, not much I can do about it. At least we have El Jay!

I actually read it at the ff link earlier today.

This same thing happened a few months ago. It had something to do with the servers not being syncrohnized at the ff end. The other time, it actually took them a few days to fix it. Let's hope they are faster this time. And as Lori says, we also have LJ.

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Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on October 03, 2006, 09:21:50 pm: Must have just been a time frame glitch---as I went there now and it is up and working fine.
thanks.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Lumière on October 03, 2006, 10:58:46 pm: I love love the latest chapters!
Cheers Lori!! :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on October 05, 2006, 06:53:53 am: Lori is on a roll...latest chapter, no. 19

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/19/
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on October 05, 2006, 09:09:10 am: Another wonderful chapter!

SPOILER

Ennis is really coming out of himself having to deal with this crisis in Jack's absence. I was heart warmed by the turnout to help them - I think that it eased Ennis's mind somewhat too. I'm worried that something ig going to happen to Liz now that hse has been so vehement about staying at the house. She jinda dented Peter's ego didn't she?

The phone conversation at the end was lovely.

You really are a fabulous writer Lori.

Thanks.

Karen
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Lumière on October 05, 2006, 01:30:09 pm: I just printed out 17/18/19. Looking forward to sinking my teeth into them tonight!

Cheers Lori! ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on October 08, 2006, 03:35:08 pm: Chapter 20 is up :)

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/61402.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/61402.html)

Off for reading
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on October 08, 2006, 04:04:49 pm: For those who like to read on Fanfic:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/20/

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 10, 2006, 10:15:22 pm: Now I can't wait to see how Jack's "interview" with Francine goes. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on October 11, 2006, 12:44:56 am: Shocked the bejeepers out of me with that one!! I too will be waiting on this next conversation.

I hope you are writing her as not as negative as I am feeling when I read that last paragraph or so.LOL
Can't help it---Just wonder what her problem is going to be???
They have about enough on their plates right now in the negative dept. LOL ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on October 14, 2006, 11:58:13 am: AAAUUUGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P :( >:( :-X

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OH she was even worse---what exactly doesn't she understand about THOU SHALT NOT LIE!!
OMG---this is worse and worse

I love your writing of the hospital visit though that was a great one!! Perfect between Grace and Alma.

So glad you had jack fess up to Alma right away about FRancine--that lying little spoiled witch--even Ennis knew the truth over the phone. YYEEEWWWW
I certainly hope you have a vision to fix this--and get the boys back together soon.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on October 14, 2006, 12:03:26 pm: Chapter 21 is up:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/21/

Lori calls it: The Chapter Of Nothing but Intense Long Conversations That Nearly Killed the Author.

Enjoy!

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on October 14, 2006, 02:08:45 pm: Quote from: ranchgal on October 14, 2006, 11:58:13 am
AAAUUUGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P :( >:( :-X

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OH she was even worse---what exactly doesn't she understand about THOU SHALT NOT LIE!!
OMG---this is worse and worse

I love your writing of the hospital visit though that was a great one!! Perfect between Grace and Alma.

So glad you had jack fess up to Alma right away about FRancine--that lying little spoiled witch--even Ennis knew the truth over the phone. YYEEEWWWW
I certainly hope you have a vision to fix this--and get the boys back together soon.

Ranchgirl the thing is, Francine has obviously been brainwashed. She simply cant see that. As far as she,s concerned, she telling it like it is. Poor Jack really is the devil and he will burn in hell etc etc. She,s actually ill in a way, because she really beleives all this crap that this relgious cult or whatever they claim to be, are telling her. She,s very young and impressionable and vulnerable, and thats just the kind of people these weird cults exploit. God almighty if ever Jack and Ennis need to be together it,s now. Hope all this with his mum gets sorted out soon so he can get back to his man who needs him desperately. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on October 15, 2006, 10:09:03 am: I agree, they need an intervention, and to get her away from her reverend that is using Old Testament personalized BS to over-ride the more Christian New Testament views of forgiveness and love.

Can't believe how some thiings get started and ruin lives that way, lots of killing and destruction has been done in the name of religion---many different religions too.

I also agree---the boys need to be back together soon!! CAN'T be soon enough to suit me! LOL
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Marge_Innavera on October 16, 2006, 06:59:08 pm: The other interesting new development is the fledgling friendship between Alma and Jack's mom. The dialogue between the two mothers was especially vivid and believable in that part.

Can't help but wonder, too, what Alma's reaction will be to Ennis insisting that Junior stay at school to make sure she's safe. Maybe that will warm things up a little more.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on October 19, 2006, 05:47:41 am: Quote from: MaineWriter on October 14, 2006, 12:03:26 pm
Chapter 21 is up:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/21/

Lori calls it: The Chapter Of Nothing but Intense Long Conversations That Nearly Killed the Author.

Oh God, I can imagine! ;D Dialogues are a bitch! ;D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on October 20, 2006, 11:42:14 am: Oh my word. Francine is a twisted little madam! She needs some deprogramming, and fast! The things that people do in the name of religion. Makes me shake my head.

Please, please let Jack call home soon.

Bad things happen when either of them goes AWOL, though I know that there's no chance of Jack falling into bed with Lureen this time (is there?). He does have to deal with his father though.

We need the boys back together, doing some smooching back at the ranch!

Karen
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on October 20, 2006, 10:27:28 pm: Great chapter Lori, thank you for sharing, now why do I have this feeling of dread???
Thanks for updating!!

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OMG, they need restraining orders against that man---the courts certainly didn't take assault and battery too seriously, against a woman no less---and if they have a real restraining order--it could cost him big time to make any violations.

I don't know that Lizzie should be all alone at the ranch even with patrols.
With ennis and Marianne gone.
I am so glad Ennis is going to go to jack, this is such a tough one, and Jack's dad is being a real pig head. He is going to have to face up to some harsh realities soon. they could always rent out the land, and he could just collect the rent and come once in awhile to inspect the pasture conditions. Happens all the time.

Now I really want to know more of Marianne's story and how she learned to defend herself so well and not take any crap from bullies!! Very curious now.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on October 21, 2006, 11:52:57 am: Chapter 22:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/62996.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on October 21, 2006, 12:15:21 pm: Quote from: ranchgal on October 20, 2006, 10:27:28 pm

I don't know that Lizzie should be all alone at the ranch even with patrols.
With ennis and Marianne gone.
I am so glad Ennis is going to go to jack, this is such a tough one, and Jack's dad is being a real pig head. He is going to have to face up to some harsh realities soon. they could always rent out the land, and he could just collect the rent and come once in awhile to inspect the pasture conditions. Happens all the time.

Now I really want to know more of Marianne's story and how she learned to defend herself so well and not take any crap from bullies!! Very curious now.

I agree, there was always something mysterious lurking in Marianne's past. I hope that she didn't have to learn self defence after something nasty happening to her.

As for Liz being left alone, Lori tantilisingly mentioned something in response to a comment along the lines of her having plans for dealing with the situation in the boys absence - should prove interesting.

I loved the way that Ennis came to the realisation that the most important thing for him to do was to be at Jack's side. And Ennis being Ennis once his mind was decided there was no stopping him. I think that with him to lean on Jack will find dealing with his father much easier. Oh, and Ennis will get to meet Jack's mum at last.

Thank you Lori for such a wonderful story.

Karen
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on October 21, 2006, 02:29:47 pm: Quote from: Kazza on October 21, 2006, 12:15:21 pm
I agree, there was always something mysterious lurking in Marianne's past.

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I hope that she didn't have to learn self defence after something nasty happening to her.

Bet it was this way.

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As for Liz being left alone, Lori tantilisingly mentioned something in response to a comment along the lines of her having plans for dealing with the situation in the boy's absence - should prove interesting.

I didn't catch this in the comments, now I'm curious. I have a feeling Peter will reappear (don't know whether this will be good or not, though)

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And Ennis being Ennis once his mind was decided there was no stopping him.

*sigh* Ennis is on his way to Jack - finally. Yep, Ennis is determined - come hell or high water. But I sure hope Lori will spare him from both ;D
I love the stubborn, determined side of Ennis.

Apart from our boys being reunited (knock-on-wood), this gives prospects of many interesting interactions: Ennis + Alma (what will she say concerning Francine?), Ennis + Francine (grrr, that brainwashed girl) and Ennis meeting Mrs Twist.

This story is truly a classic among BBM fanfic. The last few chapters were very interesting , especially chap 21 (The Chapter Of Nothing but Intense Long Conversations That Nearly Killed the Author).
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on November 01, 2006, 10:35:24 pm: Chapter 23:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/64393.html
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on November 02, 2006, 08:15:18 am: Quote from: MadLori on November 01, 2006, 10:35:24 pm
Chapter 23:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/64393.html

Whoo-hoo an update!

SPOILER

Well, that was a busy chapter.

A trap is going to be set for the bad guys. Well, they're in for a surprise if they think that Ennis and Jack are friendless and that the ranch is going to be left vunerable.

I like your dipiction of Alma and her growing friendship with Jack's Mum. Alma and Jack will never be best friends, but it seems that they are finding a way to live on the fringes of each other's lives.

Ennis and Old Man Twist's meeting was wonderful. I think that desipte his language, OMT is a bit awed by Ennis, and bit afraid in fact. We know that he's threatened by Jack. Jack has managed to become a successful man despite being gay (shock, horror!), and this is hard for his old man to stomach. Must feel like a challange to his own masculinity. I liked Ennis defending himself and Jack, and keeping his cool.

And finally, our boys back together! Yay!!!! They are definately stronger together. Loved this line:
He stood there in that hotel room laced tight with his man and felt life pouring into his near-spent batteries, plugged back into the circuit that they made between the two of them,

Thanks again Lori for such a wonderful story.

Karen
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on November 04, 2006, 04:01:21 am: Ok, I'm all caught up and up to date. All I can say is this piece of work continues to amaze me. Lori you are an awesome writer. There are sentences that just leap out as truths and reaslims and epiphanies in real life. These are 'high-liter worthy" sentences and your work is filled with them. Also, the whole first paragraph of Chapter 23 was awesome. Explains so much we already knew, but couldn't put into words. You did. You women seem to know gay men better than we know ourselves, or are willing to admit about ourselves. This is why we need you to continue to write about us... ;D

As I said earlier, if there was ever to be an alternative movie/stage-play, etc. made, I want THIS to be it. :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on November 05, 2006, 12:09:47 am: OH Thank YOU Lori for the new chapter. It was wonderful!!
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I am really liking Lars, he cracks me up. AND Lizzie entering into a plot with the sheriff has my curiosity really peaked. She can be a sneaky one I think, and with help, maybe they can deal with this crap once and for all. I hope everything goes like they think it will.

Really liked the exchange between John and Ennis, Ennis really kept his cool and still made some points, very interesting.
I don't know that John is ever going to realize it isn't about him. I also don't know how he is going to keep Grace healthy with his unwillingness to actually face the fact that she is having some real problems. jack may have money, but John is the spouse, and the end decisions will have to have his approval--which really sets up the men for more conflict. And no one will win if they fight too much. I like Grace and Alma too, their exchanges are very open with each other. We learn some when they talk.

I am so glad the boys got back together---they need each other, and I need them together.
Everything is better when they can face it together. I handle it better too. LOL
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: belbbmfan on November 05, 2006, 04:57:13 am: Lori posted chapter 24

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/64833.html#cutid1 (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/64833.html#cutid1)

what a nice read on a sunday morning!

phew, hot damn ;D

very sweet Lori, thanks :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on November 05, 2006, 11:36:03 am: And for those who like to read on fanfic:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/24/

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on November 05, 2006, 09:19:55 pm: YES!!! OH THANK YOU!!!!! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

WHEW!!

Fans face with hand!!! ;) ;D :-* :-*

goes back to reread!!!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on November 08, 2006, 12:15:29 am: Two words: "Olympic Head" :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on November 08, 2006, 09:58:36 am: Back in February, after I read Human Interest for the first time, I got the idea to write a follow-on chapter, set in 2004. I got in touch with Lori about posting it and then forgot. It came up again last night in chat and Lori said sure, go for it. So, with that, I introduce

Makin' It Legal
http://lazylfarm.livejournal.com/25616.html

The story begins in the late summer of 2004. Jack and Ennis are still living happily on the Brokeback Ranch in Farmingdale, Vermont.

Thank you, Lori, for letting me borrow "your" Jack and Ennis for this one-shot story.

Enjoy, everyone. Comments welcome.

Leslie
MaineWriter
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on November 08, 2006, 10:05:57 am: So would that be a fanfiction of a fanfiction? ;)

Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on November 08, 2006, 04:46:38 pm: Lori

Just wanted to pop in and say how much I love your writing.

It's no exaggeration to say that HI rescued me from quite a funk after my first couple of BBM viewings. I felt frustated and sad that nothing could be done to improve Jack and Ennis' situation, then I discovered fan fic, and yours was one of the first that was recommended to me. I'm so glad that it was. It is work of the highest quality.

Thank you once again.

Karen
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on November 08, 2006, 04:53:21 pm: Aww. You're very welcome, Karen. TCJ will be continuing for quite some time yet...I'm currently estimating that it may be as long as 40 chapters.

I'm glad you're enjoying my work. :-D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: karen1129 on November 08, 2006, 08:48:59 pm: Quote from: MadLori on November 08, 2006, 04:53:21 pm
Aww. You're very welcome, Karen. TCJ will be continuing for quite some time yet...I'm currently estimating that it may be as long as 40 chapters.

I'm glad you're enjoying my work. :-D

So, when's the next chapter going up???? No pressure now ! ;)
So glad you are going 40 chapters. It's going to break my heart
when this story ends. I'll have to go on meds !!!

Karen
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on November 08, 2006, 11:41:28 pm: Ask, and you shall receive!

Chapter 25

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/25/

or

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/65655.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on November 11, 2006, 10:26:35 pm: New chapter:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/65891.html
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on November 12, 2006, 09:44:31 am: Lori how many chapters are you writing for Two Crows? I,m sure you,ve already answered that so apologies for asking again. I LOVE this story btw. I,m so glad Jack is standing up to his pig of a father for once. I,m sure it helps having Ennis there with him. His dad wouldnt dare do anything to Jack with Ennis glaring at him. As you said in HI, Ennis is the champion of steely glares. Mind you, I wouldnt mind too much if he glared at me, with those gorgeous brown eyes.....*SIGH*. ;) ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: pastorfred on November 12, 2006, 10:20:58 am: Oh, Lori!

What a masterpiece. I thought I was done crying over those shirts. The whole chapter was beautifully written and brought needed hope and resolution in the midst of a difficult situation. Here was another working out of the ancient promise: Amor vincit omnia, Love conquers all.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: louisev on November 12, 2006, 02:14:54 pm: not all caught up as yet, but I got from chapter 20 to chapter 24 today... what a Saga! Love Lars - but I guess everyone did. Your John Twist just makes the hair go up on the back of my neck. I have KNOWN men like that... unfortunately. Great characterization, and wow... smex!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on November 12, 2006, 05:31:18 pm: Quote from: souxi on November 12, 2006, 09:44:31 am
Lori how many chapters are you writing for Two Crows? I,m sure you,ve already answered that so apologies for asking again.

I'm not sure, but it could end up being as many as 40 chapters. I'm doing my best to let the story unfold organically and not set limits on what HAS to happen in each chapter. Most of chapter 25 wasn't really planned, I'd intended to get to Lightning Flat in that chapter but had to put it off because J and E had to have a big relationship moment, apparently.

There's one more major story beat that takes place after Ennis returns to Vermont, and then a buttload of coming-down-from-the-plot stuff afterwards.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on November 13, 2006, 06:51:11 pm: Lori, I just read your latest TCJ chapter and I have to say this is your best chapter so far, Jack and Ennis and the shirts... Oh my God. I really love what you are doing with the story, and you put such skill into the characters of Jack and Ennis and their relationship, which has evolved so much over time.

It's so nice to read how they complement each other and how they can bicker and argue and even fight without putting the love they have for each other in jeopardy. That's how it really is in real life, isn't it? The way you write dialogue and non-verbal communication is excellent, it's like you are in the room with the characters.

Anyway, what I wanted to say, thanks for writing this incredible story, and a special thanks for writing this incredibly moving chapter in which the shirts are now not just a symbol of sadness anymore. Every time I see the shirts now I can think of a happy ending too!

Mel
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on November 22, 2006, 10:21:55 am: Hey Lori

I know that this going to sound like greed of the highest order, seeing as you are giving us not one, but two truly wonderful fics at the moment, but I was wondering when the next chapter of TJ might be due. The cheek of me huh??

I have such a soft spot in my heart for Farmingdale Jack and Ennis.

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving!

Karen
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on November 25, 2006, 02:08:02 am: New chapter:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/67308.html
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 25, 2006, 05:05:41 am: Quote from: MadLori on November 25, 2006, 02:08:02 am
New chapter:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/67308.html
at long last love, all and forever. there is no holding back any longer. ennis sees the inside of his heart, and it is jack.. great talk with ennis and old twist..thank you again lori. another wonderful chapter. janice
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: belbbmfan on November 26, 2006, 10:55:45 am: Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on November 25, 2006, 05:05:41 am
at long last love, all and forever. there is no holding back any longer. ennis sees the inside of his heart, and it is jack..
great talk with ennis and old twist..thank you again lori.
another wonderful chapter. janice

ennis sees the inside of this heart, and it's jack

wow Janice, that was beautiful! and I completely agree. Really wonderful chapter Lori! :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on November 28, 2006, 11:42:38 am: For people who like to read on fanfiction.net, the latest chapter is here:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2841251/27/

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on November 28, 2006, 04:55:31 pm: This was great Lori.
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I really enjoyed all the exchanges between John and Ennis --very strong, yet always truthful--Ennis didn't pull any punches but he didn't over push it either. I like the fact that John is realizing that Ennis is a man he can respect the queer thing not withstanding---who knows, maybe if Ennis keeps talking to him enough, he may actually come to see Jack for at least PART of who he really is. Hard to say.
IT was great about the shirts going home, and I have to admit, very sad that they are leaving each other again.
BUT I am not kidding--I was laughing out loud the whole time Ennis is thinking of and or trying to express his feelings about Jack being a tree with roots---OMG--it was so Ennis, and I could totally see where he was coming from, and what he wanted to say, and Jack's just not getting the root thing-I laughed and laughed, it was a really great exchange. Excellent writing/wording for the situation.

There was some really neat phrasing throughout this chapter and I really enjoyed the read.

NOW what is going on at the RANCH????????? hmmmm???
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on November 29, 2006, 01:38:18 am: Yes, what is going on at the Ranch?! :o ;D :D

All I can say is "Human Interest/Two Crows Joy" is a FUCKIN' MASTERPIECE. There, I said it. Thank you MadLori! Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on December 10, 2006, 11:48:07 pm: Update:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/69546.html

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Kazza on December 11, 2006, 10:44:02 am: SPOILER

This was another perfectly pitched chapter.

It was mostly exposition, which in less skilled hands could have been very dull reading, but this was artfully handled.

I’m delighted that the local troublemakers have been dealt with and it was nice to meet Erland Reynolds, our undercover hero. I also liked how the ambush was relayed in both real time explanation and flashback – we got the best of both worlds that way.

The conversation with Junior was very moving. The discovery of the shirts has definitely given Ennis and Jack’s relationship deeper and more permanent foundations.

The conversation at the end was lovely. Ennis and Jack may have reached this new understanding of themselves but doesn’t stop them griping at each other when they’re tired or fed up. Then making up at the end. It had just the right tone. :)

I was wondering, we have seen Ennis ride to Jack’s rescue (figuratively speaking) a few times, e.g. following Bobby’s death (to a certain extent), after Jack was attacked, kissing Jack at the Christmas party to stand up for them and now hightailing it to Jack’s side when he needed him most. I’d love to see Jack’s reaction to Ennis needing him, as Ennis always seems to be the strong one in a crisis. Ennis acted against expectations when Jack was attacked – remaining calm and focussed. I wonder what Jack would do in similar circumstances – would he become a ball of white hot fury? Sorry – wandered slightly from discussing the actual story there, but I do love the way that these characters have been developed and I can’t help these little speculations.

Have I mentioned before how much I love this story? ;D

Karen
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on January 01, 2007, 08:34:05 am: Is this fic going to be updated any time soon? It,s such a good story and it,s been a while.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: louisev on January 05, 2007, 09:02:51 am: As I mentioned on the Zero at the Bone discussion, Lori gave a status to Other Forum and didn't stop by here to tell us... she is still writing though slowly and more of an update will be forthcoming shortly.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on January 05, 2007, 02:37:16 pm: Quote from: louisev on January 05, 2007, 09:02:51 am
As I mentioned on the Zero at the Bone discussion, Lori gave a status to Other Forum and didn't stop by here to tell us... she is still writing though slowly and more of an update will be forthcoming shortly.

Ok sorry Louise. I,m not reading Zero at the bone so I didnt see that. Hope she updates soon. I,ts been ages and ages. :( :(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on January 05, 2007, 10:05:56 pm: Thank you all for your patience. I can't believe it's been almost a month. Sure didn't FEEL that long.

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/72308.html
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 19, 2007, 12:53:35 pm: Tapping foot...Waiting for a new chapter... :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on January 19, 2007, 02:07:43 pm: Quote from: sfericsf on January 19, 2007, 12:53:35 pm
Tapping foot...Waiting for a new chapter... :D

Oh me too!!!! I can't wait what's gonna happen with Ennis' brother! Are you reading Zero at the Bone too, Eric?
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 19, 2007, 03:58:31 pm: Quote from: mvansand76 on January 19, 2007, 02:07:43 pm
Are you reading Zero at the Bone too, Eric?

No. I'm not gonna start another story unless it's finished. ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on January 19, 2007, 04:48:36 pm: Quote from: sfericsf on January 19, 2007, 03:58:31 pm
No. I'm not gonna start another story unless it's finished. ;)

I understand, since the waiting for chapters is terrible sometimes...
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on January 20, 2007, 09:05:34 am: Quote from: mvansand76 on January 19, 2007, 04:48:36 pm
I understand, since the waiting for chapters is terrible sometimes...

Yes it sure is. I,ve stopped looking for updates on Dreaming for instance. I,ve totally lost interest in it now. I dont think I,ll bother with it if she does ever update it. I,m enjoying this one too, very much. I,ts a shame if it doesnt get updated very often because you kind of forget whats going on and I dont want that to happen with this because it,s so good. I still think it,s a terrible shame about FON. :'( I wish Jenna would finish that, but it doesnt seem likely unless anyone knows anything I dont.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 20, 2007, 10:34:21 pm: Heya,

I feel like I'm coming very late to this party. I just spent a lot of the past week reading all of Human Interest and all of the entries for Two Crows of Joy... so clearly I'm more than hooked. Can't wait to hear more about the situation with Ennis's brother.
:)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on January 21, 2007, 12:58:06 am: Thank Goodness I stopped in here!! I have been checking ff.n for the updates-and would have missed the last two chapters--OMG--so glad the link was here for livejournal---guess I'll be checking there from now on. thanks for updating in any case--I have been wondering what has been going on.

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Very nice resolution to the vandalism problem, I am glad that Liz's plan worked so well. Spooky though that they got so close to the house.
Also nice that Ennis tried to explain about the shirts to JR. very nice. she may never be able to appreciate the feelings behind the story--but I sure do.
K.E.----omg--here we go again----I am glad that Ennis is not planning on hiding too long--but am very jumpy as to his reaction--maybe life has kicked him enough so he has developed some tolerance---I mean you have to learn to deal if you travel to all those trade shows, so maybe he is going to be some flexible???
I am also glad that Jack's family is getting better, and more together---things have a way of working out, esp now that they have found options that his father can actually live with. Don't want anything more bad happening to his mom--seems like they have had their share, and the situation is keeping him apart from Ennis and that is never good---though I will say probably a good thing he isn't right there when K.E.
walks through the door and introduces himself. Will be waiting for that with baited breath.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on January 21, 2007, 03:15:32 am: Yes, I'm on the edge of my seat about K.E.

I too was looking at FF for updates but ch 28-29 were not posted there. It was luck I came across them on LJ..
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 26, 2007, 09:07:46 pm: Any news on Two Crows Joy? I"m loving that story! Can't wait for updates!
:)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on January 26, 2007, 09:21:47 pm: Quote from: atz75 on January 26, 2007, 09:07:46 pm
Any news on Two Crows Joy? I"m loving that story! Can't wait for updates!
:)

Lori seems to be distracted by real life and her other story, but maybe if we beg and plead enough....she'll come through for us...

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on February 02, 2007, 03:05:23 pm: Wanted to let everyone know that I am participating in an Author Live Chat on the Dave Cullen forum this evening.

Here is the thread where the chat will be located:

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=19650.0

You do need to be a DC member to participate, but it's quick and easy to sign up.

Chat times are 9-11 pm EST 2/2 and 11 am - 1 pm EST (for our European friends) on 2/3.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on February 10, 2007, 10:03:44 am: Lori is this story going to be updated any time soon? There used to be such regular updates, but not any more. I miss your Jack and Ennis. :( :(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on February 10, 2007, 10:15:21 am: Lori did say, in the live author chat, that this story would be the next to update (before Zero at the Bone).

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: cathyinaz on February 11, 2007, 06:40:32 am: Quote from: souxi on February 10, 2007, 10:03:44 am
Lori is this story going to be updated any time soon? There used to be such regular updates, but not any more. I miss your Jack and Ennis. :( :(

What they said! I have been missing your stories and want to send your muse some chicken noodle soup. I hope all is well with you.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on February 13, 2007, 12:29:42 am: New chappie!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/76171.html
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on February 13, 2007, 02:40:58 pm: SPOILER

Nice chapter, Lori, welcome back!

It really hurts me, though, to see Ennis lying about Jack, even if it was Jack's idea. Ennis to me is not a lying man. This was very tough to read.

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on February 13, 2007, 08:49:39 pm: Yay! Thanks for the update on the update. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on February 14, 2007, 02:06:06 am: I too am very grateful for the new chapter---Thanks very much. But you are going to get the next chapt up soon aren't you---I mean it is getting hard to sit still with all the needles and pins all over this chair!!! ;)

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Goodness, this was hard---very hard to read. Ennis should have followed his first instincts and never started this tangled web, I feel as rotten about it as he does, and I don't see any good coming of it.

Why do I feel like there is something maybe just as ???? that Ken is hiding even better than Ennis is hiding? something else going on with him though.

Jack's conversation with Lureen broke my heart as bad as Ennis lies---He needs to go home, and be with Ennis SOON---and I hope Ennis fesses up SOON to KE so when Jackie arrives everything will be on the up and up--because lets face it---when he gets home Ennis and Jack will need to be together--big time--and if that sends Ken to a motel---so be it!!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on February 14, 2007, 07:33:46 am: I so agree with all the comments! I had a really hard time reading this chapter, Ennis taking the pictures down, and having to lie about Jack. Coming up with the name Jackie. God, why did he not choose another name, some completely different name? He had enough time to think about it! This is so sad and I cannot wait to read the next chapter, because I'm sure he cannot keep up the lie.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: belbbmfan on March 07, 2007, 04:54:41 am: Look!
chapter 31 is up!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on March 07, 2007, 07:17:26 am: Fabienne,

Thanks for this update!

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on March 07, 2007, 07:29:05 am: Quote from: belbbmfan on March 07, 2007, 04:54:41 am
Look!
chapter 31 is up!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/

Yeeeeeeeeh! :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 07, 2007, 10:43:19 am: Yeehaw!!!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on March 10, 2007, 12:32:23 am: Thanks Lori---this was a great chapter---I really enjoyed the rationalizations of Ennis---and I can hardly wait for the "Dinner!" ;D ;)
Excellent!!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on March 26, 2007, 11:01:49 pm: This one-chapter-a-month thing is KILLING ME.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 26, 2007, 11:51:04 pm: Yeah, I always look forward to updates on this one!
:-*
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: belbbmfan on April 02, 2007, 07:17:02 am: our patience has been rewarded!

chapter 32 is up. :)

*off to Farmingdale*
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on April 02, 2007, 08:04:26 am: Quote from: belbbmfan on April 02, 2007, 07:17:02 am
our patience has been rewarded!

chapter 32 is up. :)

*off to Farmingdale*

Did you already read it? I read it just now in my lunch break and it has such a mean cliff hanger....

SPOILER

Should've known Ken wouldn't take this well... but this... never thought this would tip him over the edge and reach for the bottle again, but it makes sense... Poor Ennis, poor Jack...

:'(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: belbbmfan on April 02, 2007, 08:20:54 am: Quote from: Snavel de Snuit on April 02, 2007, 08:04:26 am
Did you already read it? I read it just now in my lunch break and it has such a mean cliff hanger....

SPOILER

Should've known Ken wouldn't take this well... but this... never thought this would tip him over the edge and reach for the bottle again, but it makes sense... Poor Ennis, poor Jack...

:'(

Oh, I know Mel. This Ken business... I was getting reading for Jack to wrap up his business in Gilette and looking forward to a nice long welcome home chapter between Jack and Ennis and things to get back to normal on the Brokeback Ranch...

Poor Ennis and Jack indeed. :(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on April 02, 2007, 08:22:03 am: ***Spoilers***

Quote from: Snavel de Snuit on April 02, 2007, 08:04:26 am
Did you already read it? I read it just now in my lunch break and it has such a mean cliff hanger....

SPOILER

Should've known Ken wouldn't take this well... but this... never thought this would tip him over the edge and reach for the bottle again, but it makes sense... Poor Ennis, poor Jack...

:'(

I just come back from reading it and all I can say is Oh my God! I didn't see it coming at all. In fact, I was relieved when Ennis saw Ken coming back to the ranch. I was glad nothing bad did happen. I thought they would have an agrument, and in the worst case, Ken would leave in anger with no intention to ever come back. How naive :(.

I truly hope it won't be another month before the next update. Not knowing what's wrong with Ennis, knowing about the horrifying phone call Jack is about to recieve - oh my :'(

Loooooriiiiii (hope you're reading here) - you can't let us hang with this mean cliff for a whole month. We can't stand it, so you gotta fix it.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on April 02, 2007, 08:23:30 am: Let me help folks out with a link!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/78658.html#cutid1

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: belbbmfan on April 02, 2007, 08:38:54 am: Quote from: MaineWriter on April 02, 2007, 08:23:30 am
Let me help folks out with a link!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/78658.html#cutid1

L

:laugh: :laugh:

Completely forgot about adding the link...

thanks Leslie! :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on April 02, 2007, 08:47:43 am: hooray! glad to see an update and can't wait to read it later tonight! I'm carefully avoiding reading the spoilers and reviews as I post this!
;) ;D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on April 02, 2007, 09:07:36 pm: Well, now I've read it and am back to post again. Geez, that was quite a cliff-hanger indeed! I thought Ken's reaction would be bad... but not that bad. Yup, waiting for the next installment will be really hard! Can't wait for Jack to arrive back on the scene again.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on April 02, 2007, 11:37:02 pm: I'll second that OH MY GOD!! What a chapter----Oh please Lori, don't leave us hanging here too long---it is killing just the way it is!!
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SIGH--while the reaction may be typical,and maybe some what understandable--it certainly can not be condoned---I hope that Jack doesn't go off the deep end when he gets this call!! And I hope they don't just let it go either, drunk or not, he could have called his sponsor or done something even half responsible instead of crawling back inside the bottle--half killing your brother-when he didn't do any thing to you should not be tolerated--esp after what the guys have already waded through. Jack has to get home soon!!
I'm glad Jr took action like she did, too bad it wasn't alittle harder!! OMG!! SIGH---be waiting for the next chapter!!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: RouxB on April 04, 2007, 07:57:53 pm: I love this story-it was one of my first fics so has a soft spot in my heart. This chapter, though, caused me to disconnect. It was kinda too much for me. Too many trials and tribulations for the guys and I couldn't wrap my head around this latest one.

I'm still a big fan, still eagerly await the next installment, just without any emotion.

O0
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on April 05, 2007, 07:27:15 am: Quote from: RouxB on April 04, 2007, 07:57:53 pm
I love this story-it was one of my first fics so has a soft spot in my heart. This chapter, though, caused me to disconnect. It was kinda too much for me. Too many trials and tribulations for guys and I couldn't wrap my head around this latest one.

I'm still a big fan, stay eagerly await the next installment, just without any emotion.

O0

Yes I have to admit it was a bit much for me too. Jack has been away far too long IMO, he really needs to get back home to Ennis. I hope they lock KE up and throw away the key for what he,s done. :(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on April 06, 2007, 05:46:58 am: Quote from: RouxB on April 04, 2007, 07:57:53 pm
I love this story-it was one of my first fics so has a soft spot in my heart. This chapter, though, caused me to disconnect. It was kinda too much for me. Too many trials and tribulations for guys and I couldn't wrap my head around this latest one.

I'm still a big fan, stay eagerly await the next installment, just without any emotion.

O0

I had this feeling of "too much", too. Not in this chapter, but some chapters ago. Additionally, it's frustrating to get not more than one chapter every month.
To be honest, I somehow let this story go. I still loved it for what it was (also one of my first fanfics - and oh my, how good and healing it had been for me, along with ALBFS), but gave up waiting eagerly for the next chapter to the point that I would have been unconcerned, had the story not been updated anymore.
But I still was interested enough to read the following chapter, when it showed, and the next, and the next...

... and now I'm hooked again. I think the showing up of KE was a very good turn for the story.

But I totally agree that Jack had been away for too long. And the loooong periods between updates are truly frustrating, especially with a cliffhanger.
I know that something called RL exists (does it? ;)) and don't hold the infrequent updates against Madlori (how could I) - but still the frustration remains.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Marge_Innavera on April 06, 2007, 09:15:16 am: This was such a shocker of a development! I'd been waiting since K.E.'s arrival for the Big Revelation, and we all knew it was coming - sort of like seeing a gun on the stage during a play; you just know it's gonna go off, it's only a question of when.

I'm curious now to see K.E.'s reaction as well as Jack's. When he sobers up, what's going to be his reaction to what he's done. And Ennis had mentioned that he saw K.E. "puking his guts out" years ago after they saw Earl's body - might K.E.'s extreme homophobia be connected to that at the base?

I can sympathize with long gaps between chapters - my own tend to come in fits and starts, and I just finished reading an update of another fanfic that hadn't been updated since mid-November.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on April 06, 2007, 02:12:22 pm: Quote from: Marge_Innavera on April 06, 2007, 09:15:16 am
This was such a shocker of a development! I'd been waiting since K.E.'s arrival for the Big Revelation, and we all knew it was coming - sort of like seeing a gun on the stage during a play; you just know it's gonna go off, it's only a question of when.

I'm curious now to see K.E.'s reaction as well as Jack's. When he sobers up, what's going to be his reaction to what he's done. And Ennis had mentioned that he saw K.E. "puking his guts out" years ago after they saw Earl's body - might K.E.'s extreme homophobia be connected to that at the base?

I can sympathize with long gaps between chapters - my own tend to come in fits and starts, and I just finished reading an update of another fanfic that hadn't been updated since mid-November.

What was the fic you read then? I ask because I,m waiting on one that hasnt been updated since November, and I,ve just about given up on it...Dreaming.
Can,t wait for Jack to come home. He,s been away far to long. Poor Ennis. :'( Take pity on us Lori and dont leave us waiting too long.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on April 09, 2007, 05:12:26 pm: I read the latest chapter on the plane this morning. I had to fight back the tears. :'(

I don't think this story is at all over-written or too much or anything. I think the long waiting in between chapters is taking it's toll. Some of us are getting disconnected from the story. Lori, we know you're busy, but please help us out here. ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on April 09, 2007, 05:37:12 pm: I agree about the long passages of time between the chapters, but she is allowed to have a life as well...She isnt being paid afterall...And i will say,, i hate those long waits...
It is always a great, and fulfilling one however when she does finally put one up....
Sigh,,,its just the way of us fans who want so desperately to have,,,more, more, more,...\
I feel like the damned fish in the bowl...swimming back and forth in front of the side of the fishbowl, everytime someone walks by....feed me feed me feed me.... :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Marge_Innavera on April 10, 2007, 11:05:42 am: Quote from: souxi on April 06, 2007, 02:12:22 pm
What was the fic you read then? I ask because I,m waiting on one that hasnt been updated since November, and I,ve just about given up on it...Dreaming.
Can,t wait for Jack to come home. He,s been away far to long. Poor Ennis. :'( Take pity on us Lori and dont leave us waiting too long.

That's Bookends, by kittykimono a/k/a CityGirl on the DC forum. I don't think she posts here.

Dreaming was one I started on and didn't finish - just lost track of it, maybe I'll take it up again.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on April 14, 2007, 01:24:05 am: Lori... (Whining voice :D ) Chapter 33, where's chapter 33?.....
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on April 14, 2007, 06:22:16 am: Quote from: sfericsf on April 14, 2007, 01:24:05 am
Lori... (Whining voice :D ) Chapter 33, where's chapter 33?.....

Yes I,ll add a whinge too. I know there is that thing called RL that you have to deal with, but this is FAR more important than that lol. Pleasseeeeeeee dont, leave us waiting too long Lori. Poor Ennis, and poor Jack when he finds out. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on April 16, 2007, 05:39:01 am: Quote from: souxi on April 14, 2007, 06:22:16 am
Yes I,ll add a whinge too. I know there is that thing called RL that you have to deal with, but this is FAR more important than that lol. Pleasseeeeeeee dont, leave us waiting too long Lori. Poor Ennis, and poor Jack when he finds out. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Poor Jack? I think he is gonna turn into Terminator-Jack once he finds out and I can't wait to read about it! ;) He's gonna kick some serious Ken-ass, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on April 17, 2007, 09:30:44 pm: Yes sioux, I sympathize, I waited and waited for Dreaming updates too--but I have several stories that I really like that the authors never got back too, and I just keep them and reread them every so often just because I liked them at the time and still do--finished or not--though Dreaming is one I keep hoping for an update on, but the farther we are out, the less I depend on seeing one. SIGH

Sometimes it is real life, sometimes a person gets caught up in new projects and old ones get lost with new trains of thought.

I am so glad that Lori advised us she is going RL and on vacation for a while so I won't be checking every day for that next chapter!! LOL :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on April 17, 2007, 11:45:02 pm: Quote from: ranchgal on April 17, 2007, 09:30:44 pm
I am so glad that Lori advised us she is going RL and on vacation for a while so I won't be checking every day for that next chapter!! LOL :D

She did? :'( :'( >:( :'(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on April 18, 2007, 09:00:31 am: Quote from: sfericsf on April 17, 2007, 11:45:02 pm
She did? :'( :'( >:( :'(

She,s on vacation??? How long are we going to sit here chewing our fingernails to the quick before she gets back? Poor Ennis and Jack..she can,t leave us like that. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on April 18, 2007, 09:46:23 am: I am leaving on vacation Friday morning, yes. I had hoped to have 33 out before then but it just isn't going to happen. I'll be back on 4/28 but then I still have to write most of the chapter, so it will probably be another two weeks.

Thanks for your patience!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on April 18, 2007, 12:09:15 pm: Thanks for checking in with us Lori. Have a nice vacation. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on May 10, 2007, 11:08:19 am: Lori my fingers are chewed to the bone now. Not that I,m pressuring you or anything. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on May 13, 2007, 02:53:14 am: Quote from: souxi on May 10, 2007, 11:08:19 am
Lori my fingers are chewed to the bone now. Not that I,m pressuring you or anything. ;) ;) ;)

Finally an update!!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/79778.html?view=1701794#t1701794
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 13, 2007, 02:58:21 pm: Thanks for the news Bud!
:)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on June 09, 2007, 05:18:54 am: Chapter 34 is up.

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/80213.html?view=1729109#t1729109
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: louisev on June 09, 2007, 10:20:49 am: hey, you're still alive!

Guess who's coming to work in your country, Souxi?
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on June 09, 2007, 10:54:58 am: Quote from: louise van hine on June 09, 2007, 10:20:49 am
hey, you're still alive!

Guess who's coming to work in your country, Souxi?
Cooeeeeeeee.

Yes I,m still alive lol. I,ve been VERY busy on the site where I,m a chat moderater, and I,ve been promoted too!! I,m in charge of my own forum now. (each forum holds up to 200 users).
What part of the UK are you going to be working in Louise....London? If you are, go an vist the Tower Of London. Well worth it.
I,ve been reading the re write of LS and one thing I,ve noticed, thats a bit odd? As you,ve removed all references to BBM, and now Ellery,s man is called Colson, why does everyone still talk about Ennis on LJ when they leave comments? Is it me, did I miss something? I just thought it was odd thats all.
And Leslie when are you going to write something again? Ennis and Jack can,t have left you forever surely? :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on June 09, 2007, 11:07:00 am: Quote from: souxi on June 09, 2007, 10:54:58 am
Cooeeeeeeee.

Yes I,m still alive lol. I,ve been VERY busy on the site where I,m a chat moderater, and I,ve been promoted too!! I,m in charge of my own forum now. (each forum holds up to 200 users).
What part of the UK are you going to be working in Louise....London? If you are, go an vist the Tower Of London. Well worth it.
I,ve been reading the re write of LS and one thing I,ve noticed, thats a bit odd? As you,ve removed all references to BBM, and now Ellery,s man is called Colson, why does everyone still talk about Ennis on LJ when they leave comments? Is it me, did I miss something? I just thought it was odd thats all.
And Leslie when are you going to write something again? Ennis and Jack can,t have left you forever surely? :'( :'( :'(

Hi Siouxi,

The Ennis references in the LJ comments are the old comments, from last year. Please feel free to leave new comments, too!

And as for me writing again...hopefully the muse will return. I have been busy with about a million other things right now and barely able to keep up with RL stuff.

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: cathyinaz on June 09, 2007, 06:00:47 pm: Two Crows Joy was just updated, yep, chapter 34 is up at LJ and as good as I always expect stuff from Madlori to be. Yes indeed. Lori rocks!

BTW Mainewriter, I still love your stories and go back to read them sometimes when I need a dose of J&E. I will start trying to send good thoughts to your muse to help speed its recovery.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on June 13, 2007, 01:53:11 am: Chapter 34 was Beautiful. Just Beautiful.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on July 19, 2007, 06:10:22 am: Chapter 35 is up!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/81717.html

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on July 19, 2007, 10:04:52 am: Thanks for the info!
8)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on July 19, 2007, 11:58:20 am: Quote from: MaineWriter on July 19, 2007, 06:10:22 am
Chapter 35 is up!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/81717.html

L

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG - I can't wait to read it tonight! :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 24, 2007, 10:34:03 am: I just tried to acces Loris LJ and I got a message: "The website declined to show the page" does this mean she,s friend locked her journal? :-\
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on August 24, 2007, 10:36:32 am: Quote from: souxi on August 24, 2007, 10:34:03 am
I just tried to acces Loris LJ and I got a message: "The website declined to show the page" does this mean she,s friend locked her journal? :-\

:o
Rushing over to try myself. Will report back soon.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on August 24, 2007, 10:50:14 am: Quote from: souxi on August 24, 2007, 10:34:03 am
I just tried to acces Loris LJ and I got a message: "The website declined to show the page" does this mean she,s friend locked her journal? :-\

:-\ When I try to click the links to her story on Brokebackslash, I also get a message to the lines of "Access denied".
But I can see her journal just fine (though no TCJ on it. Here: http://madlori.livejournal.com/ (http://madlori.livejournal.com/)).
I can also access the HI community (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/ (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/)) - but again, no links to the story :(.

Like you, I can't get access to TCJ ???
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 24, 2007, 11:11:53 am: Quote from: Penthesilea on August 24, 2007, 10:50:14 am
:-\ When I try to click the links to her story on Brokebackslash, I also get a message to the lines of "Access denied".
But I can see her journal just fine (though no TCJ on it. Here: http://madlori.livejournal.com/ (http://madlori.livejournal.com/)).
I can also access the HI community (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/ (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/)) - but again, no links to the story :(.

Like you, I can't get access to TCJ ???

Nope I still can,t and the thing is, she only posted a message yesterday teling us about chapter 36. It was going to be posted over the weekend. I hope she hasn,t had to take it down. It was nearly finished. I shall just cry if it has. :'(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on August 24, 2007, 11:23:28 am: This was posted on the Human Interest Community on July 19th:

Hello all, thank you for all your comments on recent chapters.

A few notes:

1. Chapter update schedule. As you know, I mostly alternate between TCJ and Zero for updates. Generally it takes me around two weeks to write a chapter, which translates to about a month for each story between chapters. Every time I set out to do it faster and every time stuff just comes up and I can't manage it. I do the best I can, so please have patience.

2. Security. I posted about this before, but I guess not everyone caught it because bunches of people have asked.

Is everybody paying attention?

I CANNOT FRIEND YOU TO THIS JOURNAL.

Because it isn't a journal. This is a community. There is no such thing as "friending" somebody to a community. You can only friend someone to an individual journal.

Your ability to access this community is entirely in your own hands. If you want to make sure you always have access, you need to join the community. You do not have to add it to your friends list, you just have to join. Click on the User Info link at the top of the page for that.

As of now, it doesn't matter, because this community is public. If that should ever change, I will give everyone plenty of notice and enough time to join before I lock it.

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on August 24, 2007, 11:24:01 am: Yes I am so hoping we can find TCJ again I would hate to miss the ending. I am somewhat confused about the second chances story, and I know it is supposed to fit along with HI, but I am stuck on TCJ and hope we will be able to access it soon. maybe she just closed it so she could post it up and and will open it up again when she has.
I hope so. I am a member, at least it shows I am not logged out--but I can't access TCJ either, the page just comes up "you don't have permission to access HI on this server".
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 24, 2007, 11:26:27 am: Wow, this is an interesting development. Hopefully Lori will check in here and clarify things. I certainly hope all is well with this story too.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 24, 2007, 11:27:15 am: Yes Leslie we all read that message. What we are saying is that there is NO reference anywhere to TCJ and the message she posted yesterday about the update over the weekend has gone. She hasn,t notified anyone if she,s friend locked it. Maybe she,ll post on here and let us know what,.s going on. :(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 24, 2007, 11:29:49 am: Quote from: ranchgal on August 24, 2007, 11:24:01 am
Yes I am so hoping we can find TCJ again I would hate to miss the ending. I am somewhat confused about the second chances story, and I know it is supposed to fit along with HI, but I am stuck on TCJ and hope we will be able to access it soon. maybe she just closed it so she could post it up and and will open it up again when she has.
I hope so. I am a member, at least it shows I am not logged out--but I can't access TCJ either, the page just comes up user denied.

Yes thats the message I get too. I shall be gutted if I can,t finish it. I,m sure we all will. Both HI and TCJ are just brilliant. I,ve been reading second chances too but it,s TCJ I really want. :(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on August 24, 2007, 11:34:35 am: Quote from: souxi on August 24, 2007, 11:27:15 am
Yes Leslie we all read that message. What we are saying is that there is NO reference anywhere to TCJ and the message she posted yesterday about the update over the weekend has gone. She hasn,t notified anyone if she,s friend locked it. Maybe she,ll post on here and let us know what,.s going on. :(

Did you friend the community like she said? I am still able to get in and see the TCJ entries.

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on August 24, 2007, 11:39:16 am: Hi everyone...I'm sorry for the panic. I meant to just put a note on the new chapter. I honestly didn't think anybody would notice until then.

I haven't taken anything down. I've just locked the old chapters to community members only.

New chapters will be public for a week, then the security will be increased. So you don't HAVE to join to get new chapters, but if you want to read the old ones, you will.

Thanks! There's no secret nefarious reason for this, nothing's wrong, I just feel it's time to institute a couple of minor precautions.

Lori
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 24, 2007, 11:41:23 am: Quote from: MadLori on August 24, 2007, 11:39:16 am
Hi everyone...I'm sorry for the panic. I meant to just put a note on the new chapter. I honestly didn't think anybody would notice until then.

I haven't taken anything down. I've just locked the old chapters to community members only.

New chapters will be public for a week, then the security will be increased. So you don't HAVE to join to get new chapters, but if you want to read the old ones, you will.

Thanks! There's no secret nefarious reason for this, nothing's wrong, I just feel it's time to institute a couple of minor precautions.

Lori

Phew!! Lori I,ve just about chewed my fingernails down to the quick!! Thank you for that. I can breathe again now lol. :) :) :)
Thanks.
xxxx
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on August 24, 2007, 11:41:41 am: Thanks for the update, Lori. Do the same instructions posted below (from your message of July 19th) apply to joining the community? Thanks in advance for clarifying. I think you have a few worried readers here!

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on August 24, 2007, 11:49:27 am: Thanks Lori for clarifying!

We were worried indeed.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 24, 2007, 11:56:07 am: Ok either I have completly lost my marbles, which is highly possible, or, I,ve gone mad, or both, but, whilst, thanks to the link posted, I can now access Loris journal, there isnt any reference to HI or TCJ anywhere. Here is the page where I,m at. Someone tell me if the they can see it please? Because I,m blowed if I can. :-\ :-\

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/2007/08/24/
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 24, 2007, 11:59:58 am: Ahhhhh. Now I,ve found this..but I had to go via BB slash to find it.

http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/tag/two+crows+joy
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 24, 2007, 12:00:26 pm: Hey Lori!

Thanks so much for checking in here and clarifying things!

cheers,
Amanda
:)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on August 24, 2007, 12:11:19 pm: Quote from: souxi on August 24, 2007, 11:56:07 am
Ok either I have completly lost my marbles, which is highly possible, or, I,ve gone mad, or both, but, whilst, thanks to the link posted, I can now access Loris journal, there isnt any reference to HI or TCJ anywhere. Here is the page where I,m at. Someone tell me if the they can see it please? Because I,m blowed if I can. :-\ :-\

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/2007/08/24/

Siouxi,

Take the date off the end, like this: http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/

and that will bring you to the recent entries. From there, you can navigate to the TCJ entries.

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 24, 2007, 12:21:13 pm: Quote from: MaineWriter on August 24, 2007, 12:11:19 pm
Siouxi,

Take the date off the end, like this: http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/

and that will bring you to the recent entries. From there, you can navigate to the TCJ entries.

Leslie

Leslie I clicked on that link and unless when you open the page, you see something different to me, there isn,t any reference to TCJ atall. I clicked on all the dates on the calender.: 3/4/5/6/7/9/11/14/22/23 and there isn,t any reference to TCJ. I had to faff about and go through BB slash to find it. However, I have found it, and thats the main thing. My blood pressure has returned to normal and I,m happy again. :) :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on August 24, 2007, 12:30:43 pm: Quote from: souxi on August 24, 2007, 12:21:13 pm
Leslie I clicked on that link and unless when you open the page, you see something different to me, there isn,t any reference to TCJ atall. I clicked on all the dates on the calender.: 3/4/5/6/7/9/11/14/22/23 and there isn,t any reference to TCJ. I had to faff about and go through BB slash to find it. However, I have found it, and thats the main thing. My blood pressure has returned to normal and I,m happy again. :) :)

Hi Siouxi (and anyone else)

This link: http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/

brings me to this screen:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/HumanInterest1.jpg)

and if you scroll to the middle of the page, more or less, you'll find the TCJ entries (at least I do):

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/HumanInterest2.jpg)

Do you see something different?

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 24, 2007, 01:41:29 pm: Quote from: MaineWriter on August 24, 2007, 12:30:43 pm
Hi Siouxi (and anyone else)

This link: http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/

brings me to this screen:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/HumanInterest1.jpg)

and if you scroll to the middle of the page, more or less, you'll find the TCJ entries (at least I do):

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/lnicoll/HumanInterest2.jpg)

Do you see something different?

L

Well I,ve clicked that link and all I saw were links to second chances and another story. There,s no link to click on that page that says anything that looks remotely like TCJ. The only way I can get to it is by going through BB slash. So I,ve obviously lost my marbles. What is it exactly I,m supposed to click on, on that page, to get to TCJ? ??? ???
The point is, I,ve found it, and thats the main thing.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: belbbmfan on August 24, 2007, 03:49:44 pm: Souxi,

on that page, at the top, can you see something like 'become a member of this community'?

I clicked on that and then clicked on the 'become a member'. I did that a couple of hours ago and it works already. I can now access the latest chapter.

The page now says 'you are a member' on the top.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on August 24, 2007, 04:05:39 pm: Souxi,

Fabienne is right. You have to be a member and you must be logged in to LJ in order to see the TCJ entries.

Look closely at Leslies Screencaps. Directly in the header of the TCJ entry, next to the TCJ icon, you see a little symbol of a lock. This means those entries are locked and can only be seen by members of the community.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 25, 2007, 03:06:37 am: Quote from: Penthesilea on August 24, 2007, 04:05:39 pm
Souxi,

Fabienne is right. You have to be a member and you must be logged in to LJ in order to see the TCJ entries.

Look closely at Leslies Screencaps. Directly in the header of the TCJ entry, next to the TCJ icon, you see a little symbol of a lock. This means those entries are locked and can only be seen by members of the community.

Oh well that confirms it then. My marbles have rolled away down the hill, because I even logged into LJ to see if I could see them. NO. This is the link that I,ve been using for months that now, no longer works.

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/81717.html

I,ve clicked on Leslies link a million times, and logged into LJ, and there simply isn,t anything that even resembles TCJ there. All I can see is chapter after chapter of second chances . The only way I can find TCJ is by going through BB slash, which I have done. Here:

http://community.livejournal.com/brokebackslash/tag/two+crows+joy.

I must have been kidnapped by aliens over the past few days I reckon. ::) :) ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 25, 2007, 04:45:31 am: Ahhhhh now I,ve seen the "Join this community" link. So I clicked that and with any luck it,ll work. I,ll let you know. Gawd, what a lot of faffing about. ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 25, 2007, 08:49:52 am: Ok this is the latest update on this fiasco for anyone who cares. I,ve clicked on "join this community", I even logged into LJ too, and I can,t find one thing anywhere about TCJ, so now I,ve officially given up before I go totally insane.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on August 25, 2007, 08:59:48 am: Quote from: souxi on August 25, 2007, 08:49:52 am
Ok this is the latest update on this fiasco for anyone who cares. I,ve clicked on "join this community", I even logged into LJ too, and I can,t find one thing anywhere about TCJ, so now I,ve officially given up before I go totally insane.

Hmmm...have you thought about sending a PM to Lori?

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 25, 2007, 10:27:06 am: Quote from: MaineWriter on August 25, 2007, 08:59:48 am
Hmmm...have you thought about sending a PM to Lori?

L

Success at lats!! It says I,m a member of the community and I can see everything now!! yaaaayyyyy Thank Christ for that. ok panic over. ;) :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: yb on August 25, 2007, 10:58:13 am: Quote from: souxi on August 25, 2007, 10:27:06 am
Success at lats!! It says I,m a member of the community and I can see everything now!! yaaaayyyyy Thank Christ for that. ok panic over. ;) :)

souxi

I've been following your adventure into the 'humaninterest' community, you're hilarious and I love how you use the similies to emphasize your feeling. ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 25, 2007, 01:18:21 pm: Quote from: yb on August 25, 2007, 10:58:13 am
souxi

I've been following your adventure into the 'humaninterest' community, you're hilarious and I love how you use the similies to emphasize your feeling. ;)

Thanks yb. I,ve been like this since yesterday:

(http://bestsmileys.com/angry1/5.gif)

ffs, what a lot of faffing about....grrrrrrrr. >:(

Oh well, I,m a happy Souxi now lol. :) ;) ;D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on August 25, 2007, 01:43:59 pm: Ya know, all this technology is gettin' the best of us. We all got to keep on top of the latest "tricks" and such to access info. It's training lot's of folks how to really move and manipulate the internet. It's all so constantly evolving. Soon, we'll all be considered "hackers" just trying to access the infomation we need. :laugh: It's bad enough all the advertising and spam out there...

Really looking forward to Chapter 36 Lori! :D :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 25, 2007, 01:57:40 pm: Quote from: sfericsf on August 25, 2007, 01:43:59 pm
Ya know, all this technology is gettin' the best of us. We all got to keep on top of the latest "tricks" and such to access info. It's training lot's of folks how to really move and manipulate the internet. It's all so constantly evolving.

This is such a good observation Eric. Ever since I've started my BetterMost adventure, I really have learned a ton about navigating the internet in ways I'd never even worried about before.

For what it's worth, I think Livejournal is pretty tricky to navigate and its functions, etc. aren't really all that intuitive or super user-friendly in my opinion. My account there is still relatively new, so there's a lot for me still to learn about all the ways Livejournal works. So, Souxi, I can certainly understand your frustration. Yup, being a member of the community is the key to this situation.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 25, 2007, 02:24:10 pm: Quote from: sfericsf on August 25, 2007, 01:43:59 pm
Ya know, all this technology is gettin' the best of us. We all got to keep on top of the latest "tricks" and such to access info. It's training lot's of folks how to really move and manipulate the internet. It's all so constantly evolving. Soon, we'll all be considered "hackers" just trying to access the infomation we need. :laugh: It's bad enough all the advertising and spam out there...

Really looking forward to Chapter 36 Lori! :D :D

And after all that bloody faffing about Eric, so am I!! Jeez...what a palava. ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on August 25, 2007, 02:27:47 pm: For what it's worth, I think Livejournal is pretty tricky to navigate and its functions, etc. aren't really all that intuitive or super user-friendly in my opinion. My account there is still relatively new, so there's a lot for me still to learn about all the ways Livejournal works. So, Souxi, I can certainly understand your frustration. Yup, being a member of the community is the key to this situation.

Your so right there Amanda. For instance, sometimes when you click on the arrow to go to, what you naturally think will be the next chapter of the story your reading, you often find that your reading a totally different story, and you have to trawl through endless pages of someone elses story before you find the next chapter. grrrrrrrrr.
>:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 25, 2007, 02:31:42 pm: They keep on throwing a wall in my searching because i dont put things on my journal..I am now in the order of ten or more passwords, and four new incarnations of my user name..
They seem to arbitrarily toss out my stuff, because i dont post in it..they think i am not still a user there...at first I didnt know what was going on...I would go nuts...
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on August 25, 2007, 02:37:46 pm: Quote from: atz75 on August 25, 2007, 01:57:40 pm
This is such a good observation Eric. Ever since I've started my BetterMost adventure, I really have learned a ton about navigating the internet in ways I'd never even worried about before.

For what it's worth, I think Livejournal is pretty tricky to navigate and its functions, etc. aren't really all that intuitive or super user-friendly in my opinion. My account there is still relatively new, so there's a lot for me still to learn about all the ways Livejournal works. So, Souxi, I can certainly understand your frustration. Yup, being a member of the community is the key to this situation.

I also think part of the problem is that LJ was never designed to be an archive for stories so it doesn't have good navigation tools, good mechanism to set up an index, etc.

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on August 27, 2007, 09:27:56 pm: Posted by Lori today:

"Hello everyone,

I'd really planned to have the new chapter up by now, but one of my friends died suddenly this past weekend, so I have hardly put fingers to keyboard in days.

The chapter is very close to being finished, though, so as soon as I have a free evening I'm sure I'll be able to finish and post it.

Thanks for your patience."
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 27, 2007, 09:34:25 pm: Yes, I saw that today on the journal. Such a sad situation. :'( I hope Lori's doing OK.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on August 28, 2007, 06:29:48 pm: At long last, everyone...

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/86352.html

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on August 28, 2007, 08:53:45 pm: Thanks, everyone, for your good wishes and good thoughts.

I hope you enjoy today's chapter. It's extra-long!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on August 28, 2007, 09:05:03 pm: Just know our hearts are with you my dear...
Janice
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mariez on August 28, 2007, 10:02:50 pm: Thanks for the wonderful chapter - after all the time apart and all the pain and angst, it was so fitting that you kept the focus on Jack and Ennis and their unbreakable bond. Beautifully done.

Sending good thoughts your way.

Marie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on August 29, 2007, 06:29:36 am: Haven't been able to read this yet, but I just wanted to say I'm sorry to hear about your friend, Lori... I'm sending you positive, healing energy...
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 29, 2007, 10:33:37 am: The new chapter is just fantastic! Thanks so much Lori!
:-*
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on September 25, 2007, 10:17:03 pm: Whoo-eee!!! Chapter 37 of Two Crows is up!
;D

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/87763.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/87763.html)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mariez on September 26, 2007, 12:31:04 pm: Quote from: atz75 on September 25, 2007, 10:17:03 pm
Whoo-eee!!! Chapter 37 of Two Crows is up!
;D

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/87763.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/87763.html)

Thanks, bud!

SPOILERS

Ahhh....and all is right with the world. I really liked the tight focus of this chapter - skillfully done. I think most people can relate to how both our poor guys were feeling.

But....there seem to be little foreshadowings that something is going on with Junior.....could be she's feeling a little left out? But I think there's more to it, and with all the trauma over Ken and Ennis, she may feel she needs to keep it to herself? Hmmm... Could be so many things.....

Marie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on September 28, 2007, 11:01:19 pm: Spoilers :D

This novel still continues to amaze me. I identify with so many things in this novel, and I also keep learning so many things too. I actually have a highlighter, and I highlight sentences that are important learning moments for me. This novel gives many different views of two men in a relationship living together, and how they deal with the problems that come up for them. I have had a relationship very similar to this, so this may be why it's hitting hard for me. What happens in Chapter 37, I acted like Ennis is acting in this chapter, and I basically threw a good thing away. While I was reading this, I understood what both characters were going through perfectly. I'm amazed at the love and patience Jack shows for Ennis. How he let's him take the shower, but is nearby when he knows Ennis is going to call for help, even after being yelled at and talked down to by Ennis, only for tryin' to help him. What stamina and patience. I guess this is what you do for true love. Hey, I'm learnin' here... :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on September 28, 2007, 11:04:43 pm: Yeah, I love both Human Interest and Two Crows too.

More *spoilers*

This chapter was very smart. It's hard to see Ennis feeling so grumpy. But, it's easy to understand his situation and state of mind. I love how protective Jack feels towards Ennis in this chapter. The fact that he waited outside the bathroom knowing that Ennis would need his help despite Ennis's initial protest was really sweet.
Title: Re: TCJ Halloween Interlude posted
Post by: Penthesilea on October 31, 2007, 01:53:33 am: Hiya TCJ readers,

Madlori posted a Halloween interlude of TCJ :D

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/90809.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/90809.html)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ranchgal on November 03, 2007, 07:24:04 pm: OH thank you for that --it was JUST PERFECT!! Loved every word.
thanks Lori!! and thanks for the link too Mainewriter--don't know what I would do without you.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on November 03, 2007, 08:55:57 pm: I really liked the interlude too.
:)

Spoiler:

I really thought it was clever when Ennis said that his costume didn't make any sense without Jack... I thought that was quite profound even in a light-hearted little scene.
:)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on November 04, 2007, 03:03:23 pm: I loved it when Junior said she was going to dress up as a hooker. That was priceless. I could just imagine the look of horror on Ennis,s face lol. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on February 18, 2008, 10:33:50 pm: I was over checkin' to see if there was another chapter after Chapter 37. Lori says she will continue to write, and she's going to finish off Zero and then TCJ...
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on February 26, 2008, 12:14:20 pm: Quote from: sfericsf on February 18, 2008, 10:33:50 pm
I was over checkin' to see if there was another chapter after Chapter 37. Lori says she will continue to write, and she's going to finish off Zero and then TCJ...

Any idea when? It,s been ages and ages.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: louisev on February 26, 2008, 01:31:48 pm: There have been other inquiries on other forums - and she has replied to them pretty promptly so perhaps she will reply to the inquiries here. To other inquiries she has said she is presently working on a fic in another fandom but will be returning to finish her other stories when she is done.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MsMercury on March 17, 2008, 08:18:26 pm: I can't wait for the update to Two Crows Joy!! Both Human Interest and Two Crows Joy are amazing stories! I'm rereading HI now.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: BlissC on March 19, 2008, 01:32:56 pm: Well I thought I ought to add my 0.02c worth...

Human Interest was the first BBM fanfic I read, infact the first ever fanfic I read. I found HI accidentally while I was looking for pics of Heath online to use as an avatar after his death as a kind of tribute. Always one for following links of no relation to what I looking for originally, I found myself on Flickr and a photo that was apparently inspired by a particular scene in HI. Having no idea what "Human Interest" was, I felt compelled to follow the link to find out more, and after finding myself in the middle of HI, then decided I ought to go back and start it from the beginning.

Of course I was hooked, reading into the early hours of the morning, even though I'd got to be up early for work, read when I should have been working, skipping meals and eating hurried meals at the screen, left dust building up because cleaning up seemed so damned unimportant, and felt though I was actually living in Farmingdale. HI started me off on the healing process and made me realise that anything's possible in fiction - even a happy ever after Jack and Ennis.

Today I've got nothing done I was going to do because I finished reading chapter 32 late last night (anyone who's read TCJ will know the significance of chapter 32) and I just couldn't wait until tonight and my usual "reading time" to find out what was going to happen, and then of course once I started reading again this morning got swallowed up in the story and couldn't leave it - hence having done nothing I was planning doing today.

I so need to know what happens next, but having neglected RL stuff of late because I've spent so much time reading, I guess a break for a while and catching up on that won't hurt me, and hell, if Jack and Ennis had to endure all those years apart before they got their "sweet life", I guess I can wait a while for the update on TCJ. ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on April 12, 2008, 04:52:00 am: Excellent review of finding the stories of Madlori. HI was my way to heal also, as has been many
of the other fanfic stories, but I always go back to Lori. She has such a way with these two characters..
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on May 12, 2008, 11:30:33 pm: Here is a new story set in the Farmingdale "universe" is a prequel to Human Interest:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/95333.html

There are three chapters written so far. The author is not MadLori. I can't really find out who the author is because LJ just confuses me. I have no idea how it works. I'm lucky I even found this... LOL.

Disclaimer: Characters belong to Annie Proulx. Farmingdale universe/ characters curtsy of Lori Summers. “The Coming Storm” is a (fanfic) precursor to the events depicted in “Human Interest” and “Two Crows Joy”.
Rating: R
Summary: (AU) 1980: Bobby Twist, an insecure thirteen-year-old from Texas, reluctantly travels to his father’s up-and-coming Vermont ranch for his annual summer visit. Bobby’s father, an openly gay man living with his partner of four years, is soon forced to navigate the tumultuous terrain of fatherhood while trying to stay true to the man he’s committed his life to.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 12, 2008, 11:51:27 pm: Quote from: sfericsf on May 12, 2008, 11:30:33 pm
Here is a new story set in the Farmingdale "universe" is a prequel to Human Interest:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/95333.html

There are three chapters written so far. The author is not MadLori. I can't really find out who the author is because LJ just confuses me. I have no idea how it works. I'm lucky I even found this... LOL.

Disclaimer: Characters belong to Annie Proulx. Farmingdale universe/ characters curtsy of Lori Summers. “The Coming Storm” is a (fanfic) precursor to the events depicted in “Human Interest” and “Two Crows Joy”.
Rating: R
Summary: (AU) 1980: Bobby Twist, an insecure thirteen-year-old from Texas, reluctantly travels to his father’s up-and-coming Vermont ranch for his annual summer visit. Bobby’s father, an openly gay man living with his partner of four years, is soon forced to navigate the tumultuous terrain of fatherhood while trying to stay true to the man he’s committed his life to.

Thanks for post this. I read the first installment and really like it. It seems clear that this one will be a sad one. :'(

I'm excited to see how things go with TCJ now that Zero at the Bone is pretty much wrapped up. I think I'll have to do a little bit of re-reading when things get cooking with TCJ again.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MsMercury on May 20, 2008, 12:36:26 am: I've also enjoyed this new prequel. I can't wait to read more of it. I'm still dying for an update to TCJ.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 20, 2008, 12:39:33 am: Hey Bud,

I think there are tons of us out there waiting for the next update for TCJ. And, folks are still waiting on the epilogue for Zero too. Based on past comments/ news, Madlori still seems dedicated and interested in writing/ finishing these stories, so I think there's lots of reason to be optimisitc... but patient too. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MsMercury on May 20, 2008, 12:40:37 am: I know. I've read a post where she said she would be working on TCJ as soon as she finishes Zero. I'm just excited to read more of it.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 20, 2008, 12:55:37 am: I feel like I've heard some talk about a sequel to Zero too.

When TCJ starts up again, I'm going to have to do a little bit of re-reading I think.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on May 20, 2008, 02:22:48 am: I got a message from "Midnight Rodeo", writer of the prequel, and they said that chapter 4 should be posted very soon! :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: BlissC on May 21, 2008, 08:41:26 am: Looks like I've got some catching up with the prequel to do too. I only got as far as chapter 1 before my life went crazy and I've unfortunately spent the last month or so back in Real Life rather than Brokie-land, but back now, and eager to catch up! ;D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on May 21, 2008, 08:56:25 am: Quote from: atz75 on May 20, 2008, 12:55:37 am

I feel like I've heard some talk about a sequel to Zero too.

When TCJ starts up again, I'm going to have to do a little bit of re-reading I think.

Yes me too. It,s been AGES since TCJ was updated. We,d got the the part where Ennis came home from the hospital and Jack was walking around on eggshells because he didn,t know how to help him and thats where we left it. I appreciate fully that authors have RL as much any anyone else but in future I shall only read completed stories. I mean look at Dreaming, that was supposed to be finished last year and now it MIGHT be finished this summer. Well I shan,t read the epilgoue because I,ve fotgotton what the gist of the story was anyway, and I,ve totally lost interest in it. At least Leslie and Louise are consistent with updates for their stories. I get fed up with waiting for months on end for updates. I loved HI and TCJ and I miss Lori,s Jack and Ennis. :( :(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on May 21, 2008, 09:02:24 am: Lori friended me on Facebook and she wrote there that her plan for the weekend was to write the epilogue to Zero at the Bone.

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 21, 2008, 10:10:27 am: Quote from: MaineWriter on May 21, 2008, 09:02:24 am
Lori friended me on Facebook and she wrote there that her plan for the weekend was to write the epilogue to Zero at the Bone.

L

Thanks for the news Leslie!

Yep, it seems that Zero has been her focus of attention the last several months (which is fine by me because I really enjoy that story as well as TCJ). Zero certainly has been updated with pretty consistent frequency in the last several months. I also think I remember reading somewhere that she's thinking about writing a sequel to Zero... but that she will only post it once the whole thing is completed (rather than chapter by chapter). I could be imagining that... but I thought that was something I read. It's a cool idea to post a story that way.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on May 21, 2008, 10:59:09 am: Quote from: MaineWriter on May 21, 2008, 09:02:24 am
Lori friended me on Facebook and she wrote there that her plan for the weekend was to write the epilogue to Zero at the Bone.

L

Thats brilliant news, I shall look forward to that and then she,ll finish TCJ. I think it,s a great idea for her to write the sequel to Zero all in "one hit" rather than chapter by chapter. It,ll be well worth waiting for. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 23, 2008, 01:19:41 pm: if you see this...

(http://bestsmileys.com/birthday1/8.gif)

Madlori!!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: JTwist on May 24, 2008, 06:03:18 am: I have just finished reading Human Interest last night and it was EXCELLENT. One of the best stories I have read in a long time. It had me thinking about it wherever I was, thinking that I could not wait to come home and read the rest. I am about to start Two Crows Joy, but when scrolling down, (trying not to read any spolilers) noticed something about Two Crows Joy is not finished? Is this the case, as I dont think I could wait to read the next chapter!!!

Well done to Madlori on the amazing story, and happy birthday.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on May 24, 2008, 06:21:02 am: Quote from: JTwist on May 24, 2008, 06:03:18 am
I have just finished reading Human Interest last night and it was EXCELLENT. One of the best stories I have read in a long time. It had me thinking about it wherever I was, thinking that I could not wait to come home and read the rest. I am about to start Two Crows Joy, but when scrolling down, (trying not to read any spolilers) noticed something about Two Crows Joy is not finished? Is this the case, as I dont think I could wait to read the next chapter!!!

Well done to Madlori on the amazing story, and happy birthday.

No it isn,t finished yet, it,s up to about chapter 33 I think. Lori is writing th epilogue to Zero at the bone this weekend apparantly and then she is finally going to finish TCJ. Human Interest IS an excellent story isn,t it? Tell me, do you think that IF they had decided too, they could have had a life as Lori described in her story? Being an eternal optomist of course I say yes. ;D
And happy beleated birthday Lori. xxx
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: JTwist on May 24, 2008, 06:36:23 am: Zero at the Bone, is this another story?

Souxi, in answer to your question, yes I defiantly believe that this is how things would have worked out if Ennis had only taken the chance as in the H/I story. In a way, this story has made me forget the bitter ending to the film/original story, as I when I think about this, I think of this story and the sweet life they have.

I am not sure if I want to read any other stories now, save for what Madlori writes, as the path chosen within her stories is one I think would have happened.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on May 24, 2008, 07:30:13 am: Quote from: JTwist on May 24, 2008, 06:36:23 am
Zero at the Bone, is this another story?

Souxi, in answer to your question, yes I defiantly believe that this is how things would have worked out if Ennis had only taken the chance as in the H/I story. In a way, this story has made me forget the bitter ending to the film/original story, as I when I think about this, I think of this story and the sweet life they have.

I am not sure if I want to read any other stories now, save for what Madlori writes, as the path chosen within her stories is one I think would have happened.

Here is the link to Zero at the Bone. It is friend locked so you will have to ask her to friend you if you want to read it. It,s an AU/AU. http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/62284.html
Yes I,m in full agreement with you, being an optomist, that this is the kind of life they could have had together, and your right, it it some kind of comfort somehow isn,t it? I don,t think of "dead Jack" any more. I think of them living together on their ranch. *sigh*.
There are an awful lot of stories about Jack and Ennis out there, and to be honest, sometimes I think there is just too much. I think, there are over 200 fan fic stories about them now, maybe even more. I can,t wait for the conclusion of Zero and TCJ. Oh and well done on finishing your exams. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mariez on May 24, 2008, 07:59:28 am: A slight correction - all of Lori's stories are written in the "Human Interest community" on LiveJournal. In order to read the past chapters, you do need to be a "member" of that community, but you don't need to ask Lori to become a member. (It's a little different than "friends locking"). All you need to do is go to the most recent entries page (link below), go to the top of the page, and click where it says "become a member of this community." Hope that helps! :)

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/ (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/)

Marie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on May 24, 2008, 09:05:26 am: Quote from: mariez on May 24, 2008, 07:59:28 am
A slight correction - all of Lori's stories are written in the "Human Interest community" on LiveJournal. In order to read the past chapters, you do need to be a "member" of that community, but you don't need to ask Lori to become a member. (It's a little different than "friends locking"). All you need to do is go to the most recent entries page (link below), go to the top of the page, and click where it says "become a member of this community." Hope that helps! :)

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/ (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/)

Marie

Well I stand corrected then. As the first chapter of zero has a padlock on it I assumed it was friendlocked. My mistake. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mariez on May 24, 2008, 11:04:20 am: The workings of LiveJournal are sometimes a mystery to me, and very confusing!

Actually, souxi, I have to thank you for my understanding of the difference between a private "journal" and a "community" on LiveJournal. I remember that day back in August when you (and a lot of others) couldn't access the story because Lori locked the archives of her stories so that only members of the community could read them!

Remember the panic that day? LOL! Anyways, that's when I finally understood that you have to ask a writer to friend you if they lock their journal, but you don't need to ask to be able to join a community - you can do it on your own! :)

Marie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: JTwist on May 24, 2008, 11:17:25 am: Hmmmmm......I am not sure if I should start Two Crows Joy, I know I will become addicted.....
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mvansand76 on May 25, 2008, 11:13:48 am: Quote from: JTwist on May 24, 2008, 11:17:25 am
Hmmmmm......I am not sure if I should start Two Crows Joy, I know I will become addicted.....

Have you already read Human Interest, you should definitely start these stories! And then you can read Zero at the Bone!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: BlissC on May 25, 2008, 01:12:39 pm: Quote from: JTwist on May 24, 2008, 11:17:25 am
Hmmmmm......I am not sure if I should start Two Crows Joy, I know I will become addicted.....

Definitely! Human Interest was the first BBM fanfic I read (infact the first ever fanfic) and though I thought that was awesome, TCJ is better still, in that's possible!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on May 25, 2008, 02:06:11 pm: Hello everyone, I'm sorry I don't frequent this board as often as I should, but my workplace has blocked a lot of my BBM resources and I'm having to do everything at home, and it gets kind of overwhelming so I've cut back on the number of forums I visit.

I just wanted to thank everyone for their patience in waiting for more TCJ. I was finding it very difficult to alternate between that and Zero, and the writing on Zero was coming very fast and quick so I chose to concentrate only on that. Now it's TCJ's turn, and I will post nothing else while I am finishing it. I anticipate there'll be at least three more chapters, possibly more, it's hard to say.

Thanks for all your comments and your faithful reading!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: BlissC on May 25, 2008, 08:28:24 pm: *squeals*

More TCJ loveliness!!!! *does happydance round the forum*

I've just been re-reading some of the early TCJ chapters tonight (doing my usual and finding excuses to put off something else I should be doing :laugh: - well that and I needed a fix of happy together J & E).

That's great news! ;D

(and it's us should be thanking you for sharing your Farmingdale world with us Lori. RL and stuffs has to come first at times though, and Jack and Ennis are always worth waiting for)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on June 07, 2008, 12:27:42 am: Thank you for the update Lori! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on June 08, 2008, 11:05:52 am: Still no Chapter 4 of the prequel "The Coming Storm". :(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MsMercury on June 12, 2008, 03:28:32 am: Quote from: sfericsf on June 08, 2008, 11:05:52 am
Still no Chapter 4 of the prequel "The Coming Storm". :(

I know. Didn't she say just a couple of weeks ago that she was about to post chapter 4? I'm really enjoying this story.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mariez on June 15, 2008, 06:51:03 pm: Hot off the presses - Chapter 38 of Two Crows Joy!! :)

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/96950.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/96950.html)

Marie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on June 15, 2008, 11:18:11 pm: Quote from: mariez on June 15, 2008, 06:51:03 pm
Hot off the presses - Chapter 38 of Two Crows Joy!! :)

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/96950.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/96950.html)

Marie

Whoo-eee yeah!!

So exciting. I can't wait to read this. Thanks for the news Marie. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: BlissC on June 22, 2008, 06:16:40 pm: Quote from: atz75 on June 15, 2008, 11:18:11 pm
Whoo-eee yeah!!

Yee-haw!!! *dashes off to read*
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: BlissC on June 22, 2008, 07:07:43 pm: Wonderful! I've just devoured the new chapter....back to the reading and staying up far too late when I've got work in the morning that lead me to Bettermost in the first place! :laugh:
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on June 24, 2008, 02:57:07 am: Quote from: mariez on June 15, 2008, 06:51:03 pm

Hot off the presses - Chapter 38 of Two Crows Joy!! :)

Well it's about damn time....
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on July 24, 2008, 10:56:59 pm: Yeehaw!!! Another update for TCJ!

Here's Chap 39!

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/97495.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/97495.html)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on July 25, 2008, 04:10:21 am: So soon? Wow.
Off to read ....
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on July 25, 2008, 08:55:55 am: I thought this was a particularly great update. Things just seem so complicated right now. And, it's so interesting to see that J & E's relationship has reached a really mature level in terms of looking out for one another and in working through emotional issues without really flying off the handle.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mariez on July 25, 2008, 12:40:09 pm: Quote from: atz75 on July 25, 2008, 08:55:55 am
I thought this was a particularly great update. Things just seem so complicated right now. And, it's so interesting to see that J & E's relationship has reached a really mature level in terms of looking out for one another and in working through emotional issues without really flying off the handle.

Well said, Amanda. I agree. I'm proud of Jack for deciding to go to court with Ennis. I know how hard that will be for him. And I'm proud of Ennis, too. I think it may turn out to be one of his finest hours.

Marie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on July 25, 2008, 01:06:02 pm: Another thing I'd like to mention about this good update is that in this chapter I think Lori really, really nails the correct voices for Ennis and Jack in the dialogue passages. She's good at writing dialogue for them in general, but as I was reading this one it just kept striking me how right-on she was with some of their turns of phrases, etc. I could really hear the original Ennis and Jack talking that way.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on September 23, 2008, 12:09:02 am: Hey Buds,

I feel like it's been quite a long time since we've heard from Lori. Has anyone heard any news about TCJ?
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on September 23, 2008, 12:34:10 pm: I was wonderin' too... Any new chapters been posted? (I admit I haven't looked...)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on October 28, 2008, 12:07:40 am: Looks like no new chapters have been posted after Chapter 39. :(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on October 28, 2008, 10:55:19 pm: Lori said she was going to complete HI, but she hasn't done so. She is supposedly writing a sequel to
Zero at the Bone. But she said she wouldn't post any of it, until it was completed. I have a feeling she is probably focusing on her other fan fiction now.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on October 28, 2008, 11:18:37 pm: Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on October 28, 2008, 10:55:19 pm

Lori said she was going to complete HI, but she hasn't done so. She is supposedly writing a sequel to
Zero at the Bone. But she said she wouldn't post any of it, until it was completed. I have a feeling she is probably focusing on her other fan fiction now.

Well, as far as I understand, HI is complete... it's TCJ we're waiting for. And, I thought that she was going to try to write the entirety of the remainder of TCJ before posting any more of it and also the entirety of the Zero sequel before posting (instead of posting chapter by chapter in installments).

I could be totally wrong about this, but I was under the impression this was the plan.

Lori! If you drop by it would be great to hear how things are going!
:)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: BlissC on October 29, 2008, 12:39:08 pm: Quote from: atz75 on October 28, 2008, 11:18:37 pm

Well, as far as I understand, HI is complete... it's TCJ we're waiting for. And, I thought that she was going to try to write the entirety of the remainder of TCJ before posting any more of it and also the entirety of the Zero sequel before posting (instead of posting chapter by chapter in installments).

That's the way I understood it too. I've actually just started re-reading HI. I've just started getting back into reading, and there seemed to be no better way of getting back into reading than reading about 'our boys'. ;D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on October 29, 2008, 02:38:38 pm: Lori posted over on Dave Cullen, maybe a week or so ago, that no new chapters or updates to TCJ were imminent. Supposedly she is writing in another fandom now and working on the Zero sequel.

Leslie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: BlissC on October 31, 2008, 05:02:19 pm: I guess while it's frustrating in some ways for us as fans, I can understand it.

I have some friends who are still patiently waiting for me to finish off writing the novel I started back in my college days (and that's over 15 years ago now! :laugh:) Meanwhile, I'll occasionally do a little work on it, get distracted by one of my other projects, go back to it, find that inspiration's lacking at that particular time, or that my characters have taken an unscheduled vacation from my head without telling me first, and go off and work on something else. If the inspiration's not there, sometimes there's nothing you can do about it except go with the flow and get back to it straight away the next time inspiration strikes.

Our boys are always worth waiting for. ;)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on November 02, 2008, 02:09:08 pm: I don't understand how a writer can just leave their story unfinished....especially when it's so close to being wrapped up.

All it would take is one more chapter really.

Maybe someone should finish it for her...
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on November 02, 2008, 03:14:29 pm: Quote from: The Drover on October 29, 2008, 02:38:38 pm
Lori posted over on Dave Cullen, maybe a week or so ago, that no new chapters or updates to TCJ were imminent. Supposedly she is writing in another fandom now and working on the Zero sequel.

Leslie

This is what Lori posted on her LJ back in June. She said that now it was the turn of TCJ fans to have the rest of their story finished whilst Zero readers waited for their sequel. That is so bloody unfair. They moan like hell if readers don,t comment on their stories after they,ve written them, then they promise us they,ll finish them and they don,t. And these authors wonder why we get so pissed off?? Yes I know I wasn,t going to post here again, but when I read that it made me so mad I had to say something. >:( >:( >:(
http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/96950.html
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MaineWriter on November 02, 2008, 03:18:19 pm: Quote from: souxi on November 02, 2008, 03:14:29 pm
This is what Lori posted on her LJ back in June. She said that now it was the turn of TCJ fans to have the rest of their story finished whilst Zero readers waited for their sequel. That is so bloody unfair. They moan like hell if readers don,t comment on their stories after they,ve written them, then they promise us they,ll finish them and they don,t. And these authors wonder why we get so pissed off?? Yes I know I wasn,t going to post here again, but when I read that it made me so mad I had to say something. >:( >:( >:(
http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/96950.html

I understand your frustration, Souxi.

It's nice to see you, though. Thanks for dropping in.

L
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: BlissC on November 04, 2008, 06:30:25 pm: Quote from: sfericsf on November 02, 2008, 02:09:08 pm
I don't understand how a writer can just leave their story unfinished....especially when it's so close to being wrapped up.

I guess the problem is when RL demands drag you away, and you've got different projects pulling you in different directions, and if the inspiration just isn't there, it can be difficult to get into writing, even when you've got most of the work done.

I know some writers force themselves to write no matter what, but I have to be in the right mood and the inspiration has to be there - if the characters aren't there in my head talking to me and have taken an unscheduled vacation, I just end up writing complete crap that never sees the light of day, because I don't let anything out in public until I'm happy with it.

I guess everyone approaches it differently though.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on November 05, 2008, 02:09:58 am: When I said that she was finishing HI,, I meant TCJ. I think of them as the same thing.....sorry if I misled anyone.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mariez on November 24, 2008, 03:10:18 pm: A question was posed on the Human Interest Community regarding the status of TCJ. Here is Lori's reply:

Thanks, everyone, I'm glad you're still interested.

Unfortunately I don't have a timeline for you, and it will likely not be until after the holidays, as I have multiple writing commitments both professionally and in another fandom, but I will finish the story (only a couple chapters to go).

And here is the link to the entire thread:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/99271.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/99271.html)

Marie
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on November 24, 2008, 03:20:50 pm: Quote from: mariez on November 24, 2008, 03:10:18 pm
A question was posed on the Human Interest Community regarding the status of TCJ. Here is Lori's reply:

Thanks, everyone, I'm glad you're still interested.

Unfortunately I don't have a timeline for you, and it will likely not be until after the holidays, as I have multiple writing commitments both professionally and in another fandom, but I will finish the story (only a couple chapters to go).

And here is the link to the entire thread:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/99271.html (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/99271.html)

Marie

Thanks Marie! It's nice to hear this news that she intends to finish the story. I think that will be a big relief to the many fans of this story.
:)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 05, 2008, 12:23:14 pm: Quote from: sfericsf on November 02, 2008, 02:09:08 pm
I don't understand how a writer can just leave their story unfinished....especially when it's so close to being wrapped up.

All it would take is one more chapter really.

There are a lot of abandoned fanfics out there -- too bad more writers don't just post a synopsis of the rest of the story!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on December 05, 2008, 12:30:54 pm: Quote from: Marge_Innavera on December 05, 2008, 12:23:14 pm
There are a lot of abandoned fanfics out there -- too bad more writers don't just post a synopsis of the rest of the story!

Yes there are Marge, and I think it,s very unfair. Look at Dreaming. Cathliln promised the epilogue, TWO YEARS ago. It still isn,t finished, yet she,s been writing other stories. Why can,t these authors just finish one story first, instead of half writing it, then leaving it and writing something else? >:(
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on March 06, 2009, 02:55:14 pm:    I used to be very frustrated at the stories that never were finished. I would become irate, and wonder over and
over why they couldnt just finish it. More often than not they were near the end, and just needed to be tied into a
neat little bow, and written THE END.
As I discovered after some of the writers went back and when having no real muse to finish the stories did so at the
behest of the fans. More often than not the end was rather uninspiring and flat. They were just finished without the
true heart of the story being truly answered. I think that is the problem with writers ending a story simply so they can
put an end to the complaints of the readers.   It is usually very unsatisfactory at best.
   Then it came to mind that the story is truly basically over. It has ended, and the neat little bow, is just a formality that
doesnt really give anything to the reader that they dont already have. So if you are honest with yourself you can see that
the story is "{finished} in spite of the non ending so to speak. HI is one of those stories in my opinion. It is basically over.
It has been pretty much tied up, without the formality of the end. So I just left them to their own situation, rather
than trying to make them come to some kind of false finish and hope that people are more satisfied by it.
   Now I only read stories that have several chapters already started. I dont caterwall over the lack of an ending, and
just enjoy the parts that are finished, as they are. As if it was a vignette or a one off. It makes the way of dealing with
them much more enjoyable, and gives us a greater amount of viewpoints. The writers have the ability to give their own
take in this fandom as well. It is helpful to both parties. JMO
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: louisev on March 06, 2009, 02:55:28 pm: I broke off the discussion of unfinished fics in a new thread which is continuing here titled "Unfinished Fics Discussion"

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,32533.0.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,32533.0.html)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: MadLori on March 30, 2009, 11:15:21 pm: hi everyone! I have heard your frustration with the delay in completing TCJ and I sympathize. I apologize that it's taking so long, but as you may have heard I'm publishing "Zero at the Bone" as an original fiction and that, plus my other original fiction plus my freelance paid work, has been taking all my time.

But I've been re-reading tCJ in preparation to conclude the story, which as planned should be another four or five chapters. I will be doing so as soon as possible. I appreciate everyone's patience and I hope it'll be worth the wait.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on March 30, 2009, 11:31:05 pm: Quote from: MadLori on March 30, 2009, 11:15:21 pm
hi everyone! I have heard your frustration with the delay in completing TCJ and I sympathize. I apologize that it's taking so long, but as you may have heard I'm publishing "Zero at the Bone" as an original fiction and that, plus my other original fiction plus my freelance paid work, has been taking all my time.

But I've been re-reading tCJ in preparation to conclude the story, which as planned should be another four or five chapters. I will be doing so as soon as possible. I appreciate everyone's patience and I hope it'll be worth the wait.

Yay!!! This is such great news. Congratulations on the publication of Zero! That's terrific. Thanks for dropping by with the status update! I'll certainly be looking forward to the rest of TCJ.
:D :D :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Monika on March 30, 2009, 11:34:23 pm: looking forward to it!!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on April 08, 2009, 01:53:09 am: Also looking forward to the conclusion. Please do post here when you have a new chapter ready Lori. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on May 15, 2009, 01:41:31 pm: Any update on a new chapter?
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mariez on June 30, 2009, 10:43:33 pm: Surprise! Chapter 40:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/102957.html?#cutid1 (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/102957.html?#cutid1)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on July 01, 2009, 12:49:28 am: Quote from: mariez on June 30, 2009, 10:43:33 pm
Surprise! Chapter 40:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/102957.html?#cutid1 (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/102957.html?#cutid1)

:o

Surprise is an understatement friend!
I hesitated (for about 30 seconds) if I should get into this story again, but then clicked the link anyway. Off to read ....
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on July 01, 2009, 01:02:38 am: Quote from: mariez on June 30, 2009, 10:43:33 pm
Surprise! Chapter 40:

http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/102957.html?#cutid1 (http://community.livejournal.com/humaninterest/102957.html?#cutid1)

OMFG!! OMFG!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on July 01, 2009, 11:40:59 am: Quote from: sfericsf on July 01, 2009, 01:02:38 am

OMFG!! OMFG!! :D :D :D

Yay!!! I was just coming here to post this! So exciting!

I also just received my copy of Zero at the Bone from Amazon yesterday. Lots of great news regarding Lori's writing lately. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Monika on July 01, 2009, 12:28:50 pm: I´ve started to re-read Human Interest. It was one of the very first fics I read so it was a while ago.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on July 01, 2009, 01:00:01 pm: Quote from: Buffymon on July 01, 2009, 12:28:50 pm
I´ve started to re-read Human Interest. It was one of the very first fics I read so it was a while ago.

That's fun. I'll re-read HI and TCJ from the beginning at some point too.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: gn411 on July 09, 2009, 12:09:40 pm: Just read, Great Story. Is this the end :'(?
Thanks Lori
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: retropian on July 12, 2009, 08:33:06 pm: I finished reading Human Interest and Two Crows Joy last night. Here is the comment I left on MadLori's LJ. Love the story.

Quote
I waited until I finished HI and TCJ before commenting. I had begun HI a couple of years ago and didn't get into it at all. I recently read Zero and loved it so much I thought I'd give Hi/TCJ another try and am so glad I did! The story just clicked for me this time. I'm glad you put the disclaimer in response to some comments early on about how this story doesn't have an arc and isn't heading for a grand conclusion. My favorite parts are when out boys are alone together and simply communing soul to soul. I especially love the scene where Ennis discovers the shirts and they just lay together not speaking, just connecting. I love that they keep discovering new depths of their love for each other. For me, that is the story's real progression, not the outward events/occurrences/stresses of life. It's the inner progress they are making that moves the story along for me, especially that of Ennis. I do hope they can catch a break for a spell so Ennis can recoup and they can both enjoy a little vacation from the stress they've had to endure.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on July 16, 2009, 11:17:02 am: Heya,

I started re-reading HI the other day after so many Madlori discussions over here recently. It's a lot of fun to revisit it from the beginning.

I'm realizing that it's been long enough since I read HI initially, that I've forgotten a lot of the details... so it's a nice experience to re-read. Anyway, I'm recalling now, that it took a while and it's taking a while again for me to accept Lizzie in the beginning phases of the set up for this story.

Of course, I'm very fond of her in general after so much familiarity with her from the entirety of HI and TCJ. But, the initial set up for her project seemed/ seems nosy even if her motives are noble and J & E accept her project pretty quickly. It's interesting that Lizzie herself, in the very early chapters of HI seems to recognize the slight anxiety that accompanies the sense that she's observing a private dynamic. In another sense, I think her character is an interesting feature in this set of stories because in a way, she's like a stand-in for the reader... the observer of J and E.

But, retropian, I really agree that the dynamics between J & E are really fantastic and touching throughout this whole story and TCJ too.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Monika on July 16, 2009, 05:46:58 pm: Quote from: atz75 on July 16, 2009, 11:17:02 am

Of course, I'm very fond of her in general after so much familiarity with her from the entirety of HI and TCJ. But, the initial set up for her project seemed/ seems nosy even if her motives are noble and J & E accept her project pretty quickly.it's interesting that Lizzie herself, in the very early chapters of HI seems to recognize the slight anxiety that accompanies the sense that she's observing a private dynamic. In another sense, I think her character is an interesting feature in this set of stories because in a way, she's like a stand-in for the reader... the observer of J and E.

I also think of Lizzie as a stand-in for the reader. The things she wants to know, the questions she asks them, are all things I think most of use would like to know the answer to.

Another thing that makes me think of her as a stand-in is when she develops a crush on Jack. She is attracted to him, but knows she really doesn't want anything to happen because she loves Jack and Ennis together. I think many can relate to that. We might have crushes on one or both characters, but we love Jack and Ennis together more.

I re-read it recently and my experience was mixed. I enjoyed it and I love reading about their daily life. But I also realised that it is a bit fluffy for me at times and that I'm more of a Zero at the Bone kinda gal.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Mikaela on July 16, 2009, 06:39:59 pm: Quote from: Buffymon on July 16, 2009, 05:46:58 pm
But I also realised that it is a bit fluffy for me at times and that I'm more of a Zero at the Bone kinda gal.

Me too.

I found HI entertaining but perhaps too outwardly dramatic what with comas, infidelity, recriminations and reconciliations, a suicide, lying in-laws, injuries, guilt-trips, gay-haters on the attack and so forth - never a quiet moment. I never could buy into the Ennis of HI being canon Ennis. I couldn't and still can't see how canon Ennis could possibly have evolved so far as to not only live openly with Jack the way he does here, but also let a reporter live with them and write a column about them. That whole Lizzie scenario always seemed rather far-fetched to me and I do consider her a Mary Sue (not that there is anything wrong with a Mary Sue, per se.)

I actually like the sequel much better. It seems more grounded, the conflicts and drama less OTT, -well at least till brother Ken appeared on the scene.

But I *love* Zero. Totally, absolutely and all the way. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on July 16, 2009, 07:09:09 pm: I really wish folks would quit comparing this to Zero. They are two very different stories. Apples & oranges.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Mikaela on July 16, 2009, 07:23:08 pm: Well, they are by the same author and as such IMO that is an obvious reason for comparison.

It's like considering which novel you like better by any of your well-liked authors, and why. Of course it's subjective but it's also fully possible to elaborate on specific matters that led to the overall view. I would think most people do that all the time. I certainly do - and consider it entirely relevant.

The same goes for comparing one author's fic or novel to another's, btw.

By and large I don't think it's very constructive to tell other fic readers how they should and should not go about evaluating and expressing their views on fics.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Monika on July 16, 2009, 07:46:42 pm: Like Mikaela said, Zero at the Bone and HI are written by the same author, so it´s not very far-fetched to compare the two.¨

And comparing two fics is just like when you say "I liked this movie better than the other one".

Btw. Another thing I remember thinking while re-reading HI is that it differs very much in style from ZatB. If I didn´t know it beforehand, I don´t think I´d have ever guessed that they were written by the same author. It´s interesting to see how an authors style change over time.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Mikaela on July 16, 2009, 07:55:37 pm: I also think Zero is more tightly plotted and structured and that makes for a better story.

As far as I recall, HI was being developed while it was written - it meanders from one dramatic incident to the next, which is then resolved before another looms on the horizon - and Lori was entirely open at the time about creating it as she went along. (For instance, when Lizzie's crush on Jack was introduced, I believe readers' input contributed to that storyline being nipped in the bud without taking a more prominent place or evolving further than it did.)

Zero on the other hand has a clear story arch - in one of the very first chapters it has Jack thinking rhetorically about what might happen down the line; "a car chase, or a showdown in a warehouse?" ( which of course is a foreshadowing of what will actually happen down the line, and which at the same time shows that main parts of the story arc were in place early on.)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Monika on July 16, 2009, 08:09:21 pm: Quote from: Mikaela on July 16, 2009, 07:55:37 pm
I also think Zero is more tightly plotted and structured and that makes for a better story.

As far as I recall, HI was being developed while it was written - it meanders from one dramatic incident to the next, which is then resolved before another looms on the horizon - and Lori was entirely open at the time about creating it as she went along. (For instance, when Lizzie's crush on Jack was introduced, I believe readers' input contributed to that storyline being nipped in the bud without taking a more prominent place or evolving further than it did.)

Zero on the other hand has a clear story arch - in one of the very first chapters it has Jack thinking rhetorically about what might happen down the line; "a car chase, or a showdown in a warehouse?" ( which of course is a foreshadowing of what will actually happen down the line, and which at the same time shows that main parts of the story arc were in place early on.)
Yes, HI lacked a plot in the common sense of the word. It has no clear begining, middle or ending. I think the point was that the story was supposed to emulate life in that way. Our lives consists of a string of events that most often aren´t connected. It´s pretty clever given the subject of the story.

I think the reason I prefer ZatB to Hi, is that it´s darker, more complex and Doctor Jack and Hitman Ennis are closer to canon.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Mikaela on July 16, 2009, 08:39:27 pm: Quote from: Buffymon on July 16, 2009, 08:09:21 pm
Yes, HI lacked a plot in the common sense of the word. It has no clear begining, middle or ending. I think the point was that the story was supposed to emulate life in that way. Our lives consists of a string of events that most often aren´t connected.

Sure. But strictly IMO it makes for less compelling reading than the concept at first would indicate. It risks becoming too like one of those TV series that continues on and has to come up with new big unexpected twists and turns and cliffhangers as long as the ratings are sufficient.

I do think I reacted far more to the continuous big-time drama (the way I perceived it) than the meandering nature of the tale, actually. I though the dramatic events in HI were entirely unlikely to all befall one couple in a short period of time. While in TCJ things seemed to calm down to more closely emulate RL as far as the content of actual plot events and -development went. Both the daughter-turned-religious-zealot and the aging parents needing help seemed to be realistic and more low-key and to initially allow for that "similar to RL" approach (and depiction of related relationship closeness and -strains for J&E). That worked better IMO.

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I think the reason I prefer ZatB to Hi, is that it´s darker, more complex and Doctor Jack and Hitman Ennis are closer to canon.

It's actually strange to note that the AU!AU characters seem closer to canon than the canon!AU characters. :) My main objection to HI has always been the characterization of Ennis, who I couldn't recognize as canon Ennis at all, though that was supposed to be his starting point.

The depiction of the development of the ZatB relationship from the first meeting, the slow evolvement of D from completely closed-down to a loving partner in an openly gay relationship, the sheer level of angst throughout, the excitement fit to give a poor reader heart attacks, the focus on J&E with less interference from OCs, .... yeah, all the parts of ZatB just clik together into one whole that is larger than the sum of those parts and just appeal to me all the way. :) As for the frequent and highly dramatic events in ZatB, they follow naturally from the very dramatic starting point and the crime/mob hit context of the tale - these two men are not exactly living ordinary everyday lives. :o
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: retropian on July 17, 2009, 02:32:08 am: Quote from: Mikaela on July 16, 2009, 08:39:27 pm
Sure. But strictly IMO it makes for less compelling reading than the concept at first would indicate. It risks becoming too like one of those TV series that continues on and has to come up with new big unexpected twists and turns and cliffhangers as long as the ratings are sufficient.

I do think I reacted far more to the continuous big-time drama (the way I perceived it) than the meandering nature of the tale, actually. I though the dramatic events in HI were entirely unlikely to all befall one couple in a short period of time. While in TCJ things seemed to calm down to more closely emulate RL as far as the content of actual plot events and -development went. Both the daughter-turned-religious-zealot and the aging parents needing help seemed to be realistic and more low-key and to initially allow for that "similar to RL" approach (and depiction of related relationship closeness and -strains for J&E). That worked better IMO.

It's actually strange to note that the AU!AU characters seem closer to canon than the canon!AU characters. :) My main objection to HI has always been the characterization of Ennis, who I couldn't recognize as canon Ennis at all, though that was supposed to be his starting point.

The depiction of the development of the ZatB relationship from the first meeting, the slow evolvement of D from completely closed-down to a loving partner in an openly gay relationship, the sheer level of angst throughout, the excitement fit to give a poor reader heart attacks, the focus on J&E with less interference from OCs, .... yeah, all the parts of ZatB just clik together into one whole that is larger than the sum of those parts and just appeal to me all the way. :) As for the frequent and highly dramatic events in ZatB, they follow naturally from the very dramatic starting point and the crime/mob hit context of the tale - these two men are not exactly living ordinary everyday lives. :o

I pretty much agree with you here. I was glad to read a reply Lori had posted to some of the comments on LJ that HI didnt have a tradition story line or arc, because I too had begun to wonder where it was leading. HI and TCJ are kind of soap opera-ish in that one dramatic crisis follows on the heals of another without any letup. That's not a criticism, just a comment. I enjoyed the stories very much. For me, the important developement in the stories is not all the drama but the deepening love and connection between J&E that the drama precipitates. As far as the charcterizations of Jack and Ennis being close to cannon, well any more I just view any fanfiction Jack and Ennis and being inspired by the original characters. They need only resemble cannon J&E, they don't have to be dead on representations. Usually Ennis is the more private or closeted or repressed one and Jack is more open, self-accepting and assetive of his quest for the sweet life. This creates a tension and dynamic between the two; Jack always pulling and proding a reluctant, but loving Ennis with him.

Zero, is just freakin awesome! I woud love to see it as a movie.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Monika on July 17, 2009, 09:17:09 am: Quote from: Mikaela on July 16, 2009, 08:39:27 pm

It's actually strange to note that the AU!AU characters seem closer to canon than the canon!AU characters. :)

You got a good point there. Genre really does not indicate whether the characterization is canon or not, but is more of an indicator of time, place and sometimes plot.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Monika on July 17, 2009, 09:29:02 am: Quote from: Mikaela on July 16, 2009, 08:39:27 pm
Sure. But strictly IMO it makes for less compelling reading than the concept at first would indicate. It risks becoming too like one of those TV series that continues on and has to come up with new big unexpected twists and turns and cliffhangers as long as the ratings are sufficient.

I think it has to do with what we are used to reading/watching. We expect a clear beginning, a middle and and ending because that´s what we´re used to. It´s the classic structure of a drama. HI on the contrary is narrated episodically.

another story that has a similar structure as HI, is Maggie´s story "the Del Mar Painting".
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on July 17, 2009, 09:33:44 am: I guess one of the things I like about HI/TCJ is that it didn't have the "structured story". It was just them living as they are and dealing with life's obstacles that are thrown their way. Just living life as they are and taking it as it comes and learning as they go. I very much enjoyed that.

I admit I'm not a fan of AUAU. But heck, change my mind...
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on July 17, 2009, 10:35:03 am: Heya,
I'm still enjoying my re-reading project for HI. It's interesting that the discussion of how "different" Ennis is in HI compared to canon or other fic... At one point pretty early on, there's an author's note that this Ennis is deliberately different. (Paraphrasing here) In this story the idea is that this is an Ennis that never existed and is an Ennis who was/is capable of embracing a relationship and a life with Jack... so he is fundamentally different.

And, it makes sense to me too... since we meet J and E at the beginning of HI at a point when they'd already been living together for several years. So, that kind of major change in lifestyle would have certainly had an impact on Ennis's expressiveness, talkativeness, happiness, etc... so that he would seem different.

Also, on th subject of Lizzie being something of a stand in for the reader... it occurs to me that she provides some "confessional" opportunities for J and E too. They almost immediately seem to really enjoy having someone to confide in and tell their story to. It's interesting how much Ennis wants to tell her, and so quickly.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: retropian on July 17, 2009, 07:00:43 pm: Quote from: sfericsf on July 17, 2009, 09:33:44 am
I guess one of the things I like about HI/TCJ is that it didn't have the "structured story". It was just them living as they are and dealing with life's obstacles that are thrown their way. Just living life as they are and taking it as it comes and learning as they go. I very much enjoyed that.

I admit I'm not a fan of AUAU. But heck, change my mind...

I was not a fan of AU either Eric, until recently. I think what changed for me was simply approaching Fan Fiction Jack and Ennis as simply being inspired by the original characters. I think we each have our own ideas of who Ennis and Jack are and I realised I just needed to allow any given author the room to express how they interpret them and just go with the flow. Here are a few AU's I've really enjoyed.

"In Plain Sight" by victopet. My 1st Au!Au, Ennis as a Amish horse trainer, and Jack as a Philly detective. The story weaves together BBM and Witness (the Harrison Ford movie from the 80's), and does so wonderfully. A big Big WARNING!! It is not complete! Hopefully she has not abandoned the story, but it's been a while since the last update. Alot of people refuse to read incomplete stories, and I can see why. One gets involved with the story and then are left hanging because the authors muse vanishes or real life interferes and the story is abandoned. So you are taking a chance. You have to be friended by victopet to read her journal.

http://victopet.livejournal.com/ (http://victopet.livejournal.com/)

and our very own marge_innavera(talkstocoyotes) story "Gift of Exile". It's a wonderful Ennis moving on story. So I guess not really AU/AU. He is watched over by Jack who gently encourages him to pursue a new life and new love. Very well done, but also an incomplete work in progress. But I don't think marge has abandoned it.

http://talkstocoyotes.livejournal.com/ (http://talkstocoyotes.livejournal.com/)

and two more:

"Zero at the Bone" by MadLori author of HI and TCJ (livejournal account closed and purged)

and

"Shades of Grey" by Midwest-girl (livejournal account closed and purged)

I have copies of these I could email you if you like.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Mikaela on July 18, 2009, 06:55:04 am: Quote from: Buffymon on July 17, 2009, 09:29:02 am
I think it has to do with what we are used to reading/watching. We expect a clear beginning, a middle and and ending because that´s what we´re used to. It´s the classic structure of a drama. HI on the contrary is narrated episodically.

Another story that has a similar structure as HI, is Maggie´s story "the Del Mar Painting".

Well yes and no to both these comments. :)

I trust myself to be able to rise above what "we're used to" if the writing speaks to me. And I wouldn't agree we're not used to the combination of episodical narration and non-stop dramatic events. It's the staple of every soap opera and lots of TV series. Dallas and Dynasty from back in the day when I was an impressionable kid come readily to mind, as do many more recent TV series (of high quality and good acting, mind you!).

When it comes to events in HI and to a lesser extent in TCJ though, one thing I react to (that make it less belivable to me, canon or no) is how neatly traumatic events - that each on their own might mar or mark a person and/or relationship for life - take place, are dealt with - and by and large seem to be moved on from. I don't find it psychologically believable. (Events such as the gay bashing leading to one of them landing in hospital in a coma. The suicide of a son. And currently in TCJ, this whole Ken incident.)

I know I'm in a minority of one when it comes to my various objections to HI, but I think they're relevant for me personally.

Don't get me wrong - I do think Lori is a stellar writer, by all means. And I think she is professional enough to be able to handle objections.

When it comes to DMP - Maggie created a separate universe and associated freely within that universe. Many chapters could be read independently of each other, or in any order you'd please, at least into the run of the saga. At several points she went back and re-created their lives from a different starting point.

The focus was on their internal workings, the impact of rich and overwhelming larger-than-life emotions in a very hum-drum outward life; two guys going out painting for a job all day, then going back home and grilling burgers before having mind-blowing sex. :D For instance the early "dramatic" incident of them being detained in jail in Utah was never described at all, I think - except as it related to their relationship issues afterwards. And since much of the early "conflict" surrounded DMP Ennis's struggles to come to terms with or even admit to himself that he's gay (and with wanting a much younger man so intensely to up the ante on the inner-conflict angle), he seemed to originally emulate canon more IMO than HI Ennis who had finished with that struggle, somehow.

Their first time on the concrete floor must be deemed iconic, wouldn't you say? :P

DmP for all intents and purposes was an AU!AU in my book even if canon Ennis (and by reference, Jack) made a brief appearance. Once characters and stories veer away from canon-ish characterizations, especially, I find AU!AUs much easier to deal with when it comes to suspending my disbelief and accepting characters who are not in all respects "Jack" and "Ennis".

I did have considerable objections to the realism of various events and to the characterizations in the course of the DmP saga, though. Especially for Old Cold Time which really had some big plot, consistency and character holes in it - so I was glad when she returned to that free-flowing writing where the guys were back to their paint business and each chapter was a separate fic, in a way.

Maggie's writing had a dream-like, lyrical, nearly hypnotic impact on me - the emotions jumped off the page and hit me in the heart. I wonder what she's doing now - hopefully she's not given up writing.

In conclusion then; there are no rules - it's all about what works for the writer, and for each reader. And thankfully we're not all the same! :)

(It's raining bad here, and my plans for the day fell through. Can you tell? :laugh: )
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on August 18, 2009, 09:35:52 pm: So, is there going to be a chapter 41? ???
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on August 18, 2009, 09:38:11 pm: Well, she said she was going to finish the story. And, I don't get the sense that the most recent chapter was the end... so I'd bet there will be more to come.
:)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on August 19, 2009, 01:07:06 am: Hopin' so. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: louisev on August 19, 2009, 03:13:51 am: Quote from: Mikaela on July 18, 2009, 06:55:04 am
Well yes and no to both these comments. :)

I trust myself to be able to rise above what "we're used to" if the writing speaks to me. And I wouldn't agree we're not used to the combination of episodical narration and non-stop dramatic events. It's the staple of every soap opera and lots of TV series. Dallas and Dynasty from back in the day when I was an impressionable kid come readily to mind, as do many more recent TV series (of high quality and good acting, mind you!).

When it comes to events in HI and to a lesser extent in TCJ though, one thing I react to (that make it less belivable to me, canon or no) is how neatly traumatic events - that each on their own might mar or mark a person and/or relationship for life - take place, are dealt with - and by and large seem to be moved on from. I don't find it psychologically believable. (Events such as the gay bashing leading to one of them landing in hospital in a coma. The suicide of a son. And currently in TCJ, this whole Ken incident.)

I know I'm in a minority of one when it comes to my various objections to HI, but I think they're relevant for me personally.

Don't get me wrong - I do think Lori is a stellar writer, by all means. And I think she is professional enough to be able to handle objections.

When it comes to DMP - Maggie created a separate universe and associated freely within that universe. Many chapters could be read independently of each other, or in any order you'd please, at least into the run of the saga. At several points she went back and re-created their lives from a different starting point.

The focus was on their internal workings, the impact of rich and overwhelming larger-than-life emotions in a very hum-drum outward life; two guys going out painting for a job all day, then going back home and grilling burgers before having mind-blowing sex. :D For instance the early "dramatic" incident of them being detained in jail in Utah was never described at all, I think - except as it related to their relationship issues afterwards. And since much of the early "conflict" surrounded DMP Ennis's struggles to come to terms with or even admit to himself that he's gay (and with wanting a much younger man so intensely to up the ante on the inner-conflict angle), he seemed to originally emulate canon more IMO than HI Ennis who had finished with that struggle, somehow.

Their first time on the concrete floor must be deemed iconic, wouldn't you say? :P

DmP for all intents and purposes was an AU!AU in my book even if canon Ennis (and by reference, Jack) made a brief appearance. Once characters and stories veer away from canon-ish characterizations, especially, I find AU!AUs much easier to deal with when it comes to suspending my disbelief and accepting characters who are not in all respects "Jack" and "Ennis".

I did have considerable objections to the realism of various events and to the characterizations in the course of the DmP saga, though. Especially for Old Cold Time which really had some big plot, consistency and character holes in it - so I was glad when she returned to that free-flowing writing where the guys were back to their paint business and each chapter was a separate fic, in a way.

Maggie's writing had a dream-like, lyrical, nearly hypnotic impact on me - the emotions jumped off the page and hit me in the heart. I wonder what she's doing now - hopefully she's not given up writing.

In conclusion then; there are no rules - it's all about what works for the writer, and for each reader. And thankfully we're not all the same! :)

(It's raining bad here, and my plans for the day fell through. Can you tell? :laugh: )

There is a huge amount here that I agree with very strongly, Mikaela. I did not find that the plot of "HI" had a true focal point, and was extremely uneven. Good editing will fix that, and I think it is a function of shaping the book as a whole. If the book is WRITTEN episodically it comes out feeling episodic and unfocused, and when the writer "moves on" from a topic or part of the plot, the reader isn't necessarily going to buy that as psychologically consistent just because the writer doesn't care about that element any longer and felt it was "done." It takes longer to write a book than to read one, and therefore the reader is a lot more in 'real time' than the writer. I try to cure that in my writing by becoming a reader on a regular basis - a reader of my own story, and ask myself the question: is this real? Does it feel real? I am at a point where events in my first book are now a year old. It's only going to feel like a year to those characters, but for me, writing them, was 3 years ago. So I have to become a reader in order to get that sense that "only a year has passed." And in the mind of a reader, the reader might have read the entire story in only a few weeks or months.

And re: DmP, I couldn't read it. The dialect was incomprehensible and odd, and "Daddy" will never ever be an appropriate endearment for lovers to me. I tried, but it wasn't going to work, so I can't say much on DmP or its universe.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on September 14, 2009, 05:44:21 pm: Still no chapter 41 yet... :-\
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SkinheadB on December 22, 2009, 11:31:02 pm: Quote from: sfericsf on September 14, 2009, 05:44:21 pm
Still no chapter 41 yet... :-\

i'm wondering if she just lost interest in finishing it....?

.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: louisev on January 14, 2010, 11:05:09 am: If anyone here knows how to reach Madlori directly, her gmail account and Livejournal account have been hacked.

I tried to reach her via her Livejournal blog and via Gmail and the hacker has deleted those messages.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Brown Eyes on January 14, 2010, 12:21:39 pm: Oh no! That's terrible.

Try sending her a PM here. I don't know if she'll receive the notification properly if her email isn't working correctly.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: louisev on January 14, 2010, 12:54:18 pm: Quote from: atz75 on January 14, 2010, 12:21:39 pm
Oh no! That's terrible.

Try sending her a PM here. I don't know if she'll receive the notification properly if her email isn't working correctly.

she won't. There's a wolf at the door.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: mariez on January 14, 2010, 01:11:03 pm: Quote from: louisev on January 14, 2010, 11:05:09 am
If anyone here knows how to reach Madlori directly, her gmail account and Livejournal account have been hacked.

I tried to reach her via her Livejournal blog and via Gmail and the hacker has deleted those messages.

Louise, someone on my f-list that is also on Lori's f-list just posted a notification about this on their lj. Hopefully she'll see it there!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: louisev on January 14, 2010, 01:41:43 pm: Quote from: mariez on January 14, 2010, 01:11:03 pm
Louise, someone on my f-list that is also on Lori's f-list just posted a notification about this on their lj. Hopefully she'll see it there!

hope so. There is really no way i can reach her myself.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on January 14, 2010, 03:23:22 pm: Am I being dense? I just logged into her LJ and TCJ is still there because I sat and read it. Is it that one that's been hacked or HI? ???
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on January 14, 2010, 03:27:55 pm: Just logged in again and found this entry. Looks as if it's all ok now.

http://madlori.livejournal.com/
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Sason on January 14, 2010, 06:21:15 pm: Quote from: louisev on January 14, 2010, 11:05:09 am
If anyone here knows how to reach Madlori directly, her gmail account and Livejournal account have been hacked.

I tried to reach her via her Livejournal blog and via Gmail and the hacker has deleted those messages.

Thanks for the info. I was wondering about it, got the weirdest email from her address today.

Felt quite sure it was a fake, but didn't understand how it could happen.

I do hope she'll regain control over her email and LJ quickly! It must be terrible to have someone steel them!!
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Sason on January 14, 2010, 06:26:44 pm: Oh, I see she already did.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on January 15, 2010, 04:26:41 am: Madlori's Zero at the Bone was completed. It even had a first chapter of the second book here. However she
decided to make it a print book for Dreamspinner Press. I have the copy myself. It left off the first chapter of the
second book however.

Myself, I have had a great deal of trouble finding new OS stories. That is the reason I went to read AUAU. I have
found some that I have enjoyed greatly. Others I have started and gave up for lack of interest. The thing that
bothers me most is when they are dropped. No explanation or anything. However I have found several that I have
enjoyed very much/. Right now I am reading one, that I would highly recommend to anyone that is interested in reading
a great writer. Its called Saga. It is written in the Viking age. It has wonderful background and research material that
accompanies the story as well. She is spending quality time and effort, trying to make the story authentic....I love it.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on April 30, 2011, 03:42:40 pm: Is this story EVER going to be finished?
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Sason on April 30, 2011, 03:53:06 pm: Doesn't seem very likely, imo.

There was a time when I could kill for a new chapter, but it actually doesn't seem that important anymore.

It would be nice to see where she's taking her Jack and Ennis, though.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: kitty on September 16, 2011, 07:27:26 am: BIG NEWS!

I spoke to Lori on the dave cullen forum. She says that she's starting to feel a "pull" towards the HI/TCJ boys for the first time in a long time, so we may see a new chapter in the near future :) She hasn't completely abandoned it or anything, but lost her inspiration or something. Now she says she's starting to get it back, so I dare say we'll be back in Farmingdale soon ;D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on September 16, 2011, 10:59:56 am: Quote from: kitty on September 16, 2011, 07:27:26 am
BIG NEWS!

I spoke to Lori on the dave cullen forum. She says that she's starting to feel a "pull" towards the HI/TCJ boys for the first time in a long time, so we may see a new chapter in the near future :) She hasn't completely abandoned it or anything, but lost her inspiration or something. Now she says she's starting to get it back, so I dare say we'll be back in Farmingdale soon ;D

Honest answer?
I believe it when I read a new chapter. I won't get excited before it's posted. But since I'm currently having a fan-fiction relapse anyway, I might as well dive back into this story. If it ever gets moving again, that is.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: kitty on September 16, 2011, 11:49:04 am: Quote from: Penthesilea on September 16, 2011, 10:59:56 am

Honest answer?
I believe it when I read a new chapter. I won't get excited before it's posted. But since I'm currently having a fan-fiction relapse anyway, I might as well dive back into this story. If it ever gets moving again, that is.

I'm not lying you know.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: kitty on September 16, 2011, 11:51:12 am: Here, see for yourself:

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=41056.7005
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on September 16, 2011, 12:07:40 pm: Quote from: kitty on September 16, 2011, 11:49:04 am
I'm not lying you know.

Quote from: kitty on September 16, 2011, 11:51:12 am
Here, see for yourself:

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=41056.7005
Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't mean to doubt your words, really not! And I apologize if you had the impression.
I meant to say that I don't believe in abandoned stories ever getting finished. I also don't doubt the author's intentions (haven't read the link yet). Frome experience with FF, I only doubt the outcome. But as I already said, I'm willing to read on if anything ever comes from it.
Sorry again if my wording was poor.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Monika on September 16, 2011, 12:21:15 pm: I hope she writes more stand-alones from the ZAtB universe as well! I would love to check in on those boys again and their life in the suburbs.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Sason on September 16, 2011, 12:31:58 pm: This is good news, but like Chrissi I'll believe it when I see it.

Thanks for bringing it over here from DCF, Kathryn.

Although I basically don't read fanfic any more, (at least not for the time being), I will sure want to read
the end of HI/TCJ. I was my first long story, and I'm convinced it saved my sanity when I found it.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on September 16, 2011, 12:59:28 pm: I'm not a member of DC, can anyone post what she said here? I really thought she'd abandoned it. Great to know she hasn't. TCJ was nearly finished. :)
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: milomorris on September 16, 2011, 01:14:52 pm: Quote from: Buffymon on September 16, 2011, 12:21:15 pm
I hope she writes more stand-alones from the ZAtB universe as well! I would love to check in on those boys again and their life in the suburbs.

I seem to remember that ZAtB was not going to get a sequel because MadLori took the story out of the BBM-sphere and rewrote it for commercial publishing.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Sason on September 16, 2011, 01:15:33 pm: Quote from: souxi on September 16, 2011, 12:59:28 pm
I'm not a member of DC, can anyone post what she said here? I really thought she'd abandoned it. Great to know she hasn't. TCJ was nearly finished. :)

Here:

Quote from: MadLori on September 14, 2011, 10:48:28 am
Hey there!

Three more words: I don't know.

To be more accurate, I do know what happens in the rest of the story, and honestly there's so little left, maybe a couple of chapters. I wish I could tell you why I've found it so hard to just get in there and WRITE them, but I don't know the answer myself.

Lately I've been feeling a pull toward it, perhaps because I'm writing slash again for the first time in awhile, after having gone back over to het for a couple of fandoms.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Monika on September 16, 2011, 01:33:55 pm: Quote from: milomorris on September 16, 2011, 01:14:52 pm
I seem to remember that ZAtB was not going to get a sequel because MadLori took the story out of the BBM-sphere and rewrote it for commercial publishing.
she did, but she has already written three stand-alones from that universe that you can download for free from her official website (http://janesevillebooks.com/webstories.html) The characters are still called Jack and D (she only changed their last names).

I´m hoping for more stories
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: milomorris on September 16, 2011, 01:53:40 pm: Quote from: Buffymon on September 16, 2011, 01:33:55 pm
she did, but she has already written three stand-alones from that universe that you can download for free from her official website (http://janesevillebooks.com/webstories.html) The characters are still called Jack and D (she only changed their last names).

I´m hoping for more stories

THANK YOU!!! I had no idea.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on September 19, 2011, 12:50:25 am: This is encouraging news. I hope she does this. I have always loved her works.
I purchased the printed version of Zero. I read it from time to time.
She was working on a version of an oz story, last I knew.
I too have been interested in getting some new fanfic.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Penthesilea on September 19, 2011, 01:03:37 am: Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on September 19, 2011, 12:50:25 am

This is encouraging news. I hope she does this. I have always loved her works.
I purchased the printed version of Zero. I read it from time to time.
She was working on a version of an oz story, last I knew.
I too have been interested in getting some new fanfic.

Hey Janice! Good to see you :D
How are you doing, sweet lady?
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on November 30, 2011, 12:54:43 am: Did a new chapter ever get posted?

What was the last chapter that was posted? (Want to make sure I'm up to date. It's been a while.) ;D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: kitty on November 30, 2011, 02:23:17 pm: The farmingdale community on LJ is up to Chapter 40, that was the last one posted there :)

I wanna see the guys at that gay resort ;D
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on December 01, 2011, 10:48:05 am: I have started re-reading the wonderful fiction Saga. I do not know how many of you read it the first time around. It is well worth the read.

It is set in the Norse times of the Vikings. It is wonderfully written. It is well documented by the wiki and other factual information. Nearly every chapter has very thorough explanations of the information that you may care to know about the things she puts in the story line. Highly recommended...

http://gilli-ann.livejournal.com/52746.html

Here is the link in case you want to read it. It lists all the chapters.

This can help some of you that are looking for a fiction fix.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: souxi on February 21, 2012, 01:34:12 pm: Quote from: kitty on November 30, 2011, 02:23:17 pm
The farmingdale community on LJ is up to Chapter 40, that was the last one posted there :)

I wanna see the guys at that gay resort ;D

I wonder if Lori will ever finish this story. It was so near the end too. :-\
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Sason on February 21, 2012, 01:45:49 pm: Quote from: souxi on February 21, 2012, 01:34:12 pm
I wonder if Lori will ever finish this story. It was so near the end too. :-\

Not very likely, imo.
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: SFEnnisSF on May 10, 2014, 12:10:37 am: Was any ending ever published?
Title: Re: Human Interest and Two Crows Joy by MadLori
Post by: Sason on May 10, 2014, 09:06:14 am: Not that I know of.

I think Lori moved on to other fandoms.