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Re: Hi, Y'all!
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2009, 12:30:44 pm »



Marcia, thanks for that article.  Very interesting read!


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'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
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Re: Hi, Y'all!
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2009, 01:17:14 pm »




Shame on her! She's not wearing her pearls!  :o
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Re: Hi, Y'all!
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2009, 09:25:21 am »
Believe it or not, when I was a kid there was a lady across the street from us who dressed a lot like that.  I was buddies with her daughter, who was my age, so I saw a lot of her and she was nice enough, not at all June Cleaverish but my mom thought it was weird. She liked to dress up when she went out someplace but she'd be doing her housework in shorts and sleeveless blouse and here comes our neighbor out to her mailbox with dress, pumps, the whole bit.

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Re: Hi, Y'all!
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2009, 09:36:43 am »



 :laugh:


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

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Re: Hi, Y'all!
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2009, 09:39:15 am »
Believe it or not, when I was a kid there was a lady across the street from us who dressed a lot like that.  I was buddies with her daughter, who was my age, so I saw a lot of her and she was nice enough, not at all June Cleaverish but my mom thought it was weird. She liked to dress up when she went out someplace but she'd be doing her housework in shorts and sleeveless blouse and here comes our neighbor out to her mailbox with dress, pumps, the whole bit.

I feel sorry for someone who has to go through life feeling uncomfortable. Back in my working days, I didn't wear dress, pumps and pearls, but even what I did wear felt constricting enough that as soon as I got home the first thing I did was change clothes.


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Re: Hi, Y'all!
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2009, 10:41:46 am »
Believe it or not, when I was a kid there was a lady across the street from us who dressed a lot like that.  I was buddies with her daughter, who was my age, so I saw a lot of her and she was nice enough, not at all June Cleaverish but my mom thought it was weird. She liked to dress up when she went out someplace but she'd be doing her housework in shorts and sleeveless blouse and here comes our neighbor out to her mailbox with dress, pumps, the whole bit.

I used to think some of this may have been generational. I remember when I was a small boy noticing that one of the biggest differences between my mother and my grandmother was that my mother always wore slacks and a blouse to do her housework, and Grandma always wore a skirt and blouse--no pumps or pearls, though! "Grandma" in this case was my dad's mother, but it comes to me now that my other grandmother--Mother's mother--always wore some sort of housedress.
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Re: Hi, Y'all!
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2009, 08:52:00 am »
My mom never wears dresses/skirts, always pants.

It stems back from a time when she tried out to be a cheerleader, and her mother told her that her legs were too fat to be a cheerleader.


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Re: Hi, Y'all!
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2009, 10:40:49 am »
My mom never wears dresses/skirts, always pants.

It stems back from a time when she tried out to be a cheerleader, and her mother told her that her legs were too fat to be a cheerleader.

Seriously?  Ouch.   :-\

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Re: Hi, Y'all!
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2009, 10:51:17 am »
I've often wished that little girls clothes sold today (other than the Sluttina Look) were the norm when I was a kid. My mom was just in love with those fluffy organdy dresses and maybe my skin was just sensitive to them, but they were like torture devices. They had a texture like sandpaper and didn't 'breathe' at all -- and this was south Florida, a subtropical climate. I remember literally running to my room when we got back from church or any sort of dress-up occasion and changing. To this day I still do it, and I feel blessed to be in a workplace where jeans or slacks and tee shirts are the standard work outfit.

But that lady doing dishes is interesting -- sort of like a cross between Heidi and Bess Myerson. 

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Re: Hi, Y'all!
« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2009, 12:14:35 pm »



Oddly enough, a new study indicates that women actually WERE happier back then!


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/26/opinion/26douthat.html?sq=douthat&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=print

The New York Times

May 26, 2009
Op-Ed Columnist
Liberated and Unhappy
By ROSS DOUTHAT


American women are wealthier, healthier and better educated than they were 30 years ago. They’re more likely to work outside the home, and more likely to earn salaries comparable to men’s when they do. They can leave abusive marriages and sue sexist employers. They enjoy unprecedented control over their own fertility. On some fronts — graduation rates, life expectancy and even job security — men look increasingly like the second sex.

But all the achievements of the feminist era may have delivered women to greater unhappiness. In the 1960s, when Betty Friedan diagnosed her fellow wives and daughters as the victims of “the problem with no name,” American women reported themselves happier, on average, than did men. Today, that gender gap has reversed. Male happiness has inched up, and female happiness has dropped. In postfeminist America, men are happier than women.

This is “The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness,” the subject of a provocative paper from the economists Betsey Stevenson and Justin Wolfers. The paper is fascinating not only because of what it shows, but because the authors deliberately avoid floating an easy explanation for their data.

The decline of the two-parent family, for instance, is almost certainly depressing life satisfaction for the women stuck raising kids alone. But this can’t be the only explanation, since the trend toward greater female discontent cuts across lines of class and race. A working-class Hispanic woman is far more likely to be a single mother than her white and wealthy counterpart, yet the male-female happiness gap holds in East Hampton and East L.A. alike.

Again, maybe the happiness numbers are being tipped downward by a mounting female workload — the famous “second shift,” in which women continue to do the lion’s share of household chores even as they’re handed more and more workplace responsibility. It’s certainly possible — but as Wolfers and Stevenson point out, recent surveys actually show similar workload patterns for men and women over all.

Or perhaps the problem is political — maybe women prefer egalitarian, low-risk societies, and the cowboy capitalism of the Reagan era had an anxiety-inducing effect on the American female. But even in the warm, nurturing, egalitarian European Union, female happiness has fallen relative to men’s across the last three decades.

All this ambiguity lends itself to broad-brush readings. A strict feminist and a stringent gender-role traditionalist alike will probably find vindication of their premises between the lines of Wolfers and Stevenson’s careful prose. The feminist will see evidence of a revolution interrupted, in which rising expectations are bumping against glass ceilings, breeding entirely justified resentments. The traditionalist will see evidence of a revolution gone awry, in which women have been pressured into lifestyles that run counter to their biological imperatives, and men have been liberated to embrace a piggish irresponsibility.

There’s evidence to fit each of these narratives. But there’s also room for both.

Feminists and traditionalists should be able to agree, for instance, that the structures of American society don’t make enough allowances for the particular challenges of motherhood. We can squabble forever about the choices that mothers ought to make, but the difficult work-parenthood juggle is here to stay. (Just ask Sarah and Todd Palin.) And there are all kinds of ways — from a more family-friendly tax code to a more accommodating educational system — that public policy can make that juggle easier. Conservatives and liberals won’t agree on the means, but they ought to agree on the end: a nation where it’s easier to balance work and child-rearing, however you think that balance should be struck.

They should also be able to agree that the steady advance of single motherhood threatens the interests and happiness of women. Here the public-policy options are limited; some kind of social stigma is a necessity. But a new-model stigma shouldn’t (and couldn’t) look like the old sexism. There’s no necessary reason why feminists and cultural conservatives can’t join forces — in the same way that they made common cause during the pornography wars of the 1980s — behind a social revolution that ostracizes serial baby-daddies and trophy-wife collectors as thoroughly as the “fallen women” of a more patriarchal age.

No reason, of course, save the fact that contemporary America doesn’t seem willing to accept sexual stigma, period. We simply don’t have the stomach for permanently ostracizing the sexually irresponsible — be they a pregnant starlet, a thrice-divorced tycoon, or even a prostitute-hiring politician.

In this sense, ours is a kinder, gentler, more forgiving country than it was 40 years ago. But for half the public, it’s an unhappier country as well.




Here's the abstract of an article by the authors of the study:

http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969


Betsey Stevenson, Justin Wolfers

NBER Working Paper No. 14969
Issued in May 2009
NBER Program(s):   EFG    LE    LS    PE

---- Abstract -----

By many objective measures the lives of women in the United States have improved over the past 35 years, yet we show that measures of subjective well-being indicate that women's happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men. The paradox of women's declining relative well-being is found across various datasets, measures of subjective well-being, and is pervasive across demographic groups and industrialized countries. Relative declines in female happiness have eroded a gender gap in happiness in which women in the 1970s typically reported higher subjective well-being than did men. These declines have continued and a new gender gap is emerging -- one with higher subjective well-being for men.