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Re: The New Star Trek Movie
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2009, 10:01:32 pm »
I think William Shatner at this point would have a hard time being convincing as Kirk. He has become a good-natured buffoonish caricature of himself over the years, and although I like that about him it would be hard to be as take him seriously. But if he would give it a try I'd buy a ticket.



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Re: The New Star Trek Movie
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2009, 08:28:20 pm »
So this is the blog about the movie that is making its way around the blogosphere. Twinks vs. Bears in Star Trek, the gayest movie ever. I think it is pretty funny.

http://the-panopticon.blogspot.com/2009/05/do-gay-martians-have-right-to-marry.html

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Re: The New Star Trek Movie
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2009, 08:36:21 pm »
OK, I've now got a picture of Chris Pine (without the silly dye job) hanging right next to a picture of Jake Gyllenhaal.

Now, there's a "slash" coupling I'd like to see. ...  8)
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Re: The New Star Trek Movie
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2009, 02:22:50 pm »
LOVED it!  8)

Went to see it Wednesday with Mikaela at the IMAX on 42nd Street (Whatta ripoff!  The screen isn't nearly big enough.  Stick to SONY Lincoln Center's IMAX if you go.)

I had stayed away from reviews and background articles, so it was a big, fast, pleasing rush of nostalgia, emotion, shock, WTF and yahoo!  Great job by everyone concerned, especially the director, J.J. Abrams.  I was even willing to forgive him for ripping a huge hole in the old Trek canon.  Couldn't follow all the time-travel plot stuff, but I had a roaring good time.  Highly recommended.  8)  8)  8)
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Re: The New Star Trek Movie
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2009, 02:27:32 pm »
I was even willing to forgive him for ripping a huge hole in the old Trek canon.

What's the huge hole? Was it Spock and Uhura? Because that's not how Vulcans are supposed to mate.


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Re: The New Star Trek Movie
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2009, 03:30:22 pm »
****SPOILER ALERT****







I believe the huge hole was that the planet Vulcan was destroyed (if I have that right--time travel paradoxes mix me up), rendering many events of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and the movies impossible.

Also, if Kirk had a brother, Sam, where was he?  Is he a stepbrother?





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Re: The New Star Trek Movie
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2009, 03:48:14 pm »
Yep, shortfiction nailed the main event I was thinking of, among others.  (Hope you don't mind my adding the spoiler alert, sf, since others reading the thread may have not seen the movie yet.)

I kept waiting for them to "fix" it by another time-traveling trick, but they just left us in that other universe.  Bold as brass, those writers!  :P
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Re: The New Star Trek Movie
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2009, 03:51:36 pm »
I believe the huge hole was that the planet Vulcan was destroyed (if I have that right--time travel paradoxes mix me up), rendering many events of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and the movies impossible.

Oh, right.

But also the mating thing. Whatever happened to being overcome with strange urges once every seven years, compelling one to return to Vulcan for an elaborate ritual that might culminate in mortal combat with one's best friend and superior officer? (Or something like that -- it's been a while since I saw that episode.)

I don't remember any mention of casual hookups at the Federation Academy (for Spock anyway -- for Kirk, they go without saying).




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Re: The New Star Trek Movie
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2009, 04:00:44 pm »



I think you might  enjoy this!


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Re: The New Star Trek Movie
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2009, 04:07:57 pm »


What's the huge hole? Was it Spock and Uhura? Because that's not how Vulcans are supposed to mate.



Oh, right.

But also the mating thing. Whatever happened to being overcome with strange urges once every seven years, compelling one to return to Vulcan for an elaborate ritual that might culminate in mortal combat with one's best friend and superior officer? (Or something like that -- it's been a while since I saw that episode.)

I don't remember any mention of casual hookups at the Federation Academy (for Spock anyway -- for Kirk, they go without saying).



You thought maybe Wikipedia didn't include (science fictional) mating rituals? Au contraire!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pon_farr

Pon farr
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Pon farr is an element of the fictional Star Trek universe that occurs both in the canonical TV series and in fan fiction based upon the series. In Star Trek, Vulcan males and females go into heat every seven years, going into a blood fever, becoming violent, and finally dying if they do not mate with someone with whom they are empathically bonded.




In canon
It was introduced in the original series episode "Amok Time",  written by Theodore Sturgeon, which depicts Mr. Spock going into pon farr and being returned to Vulcan by Captain Kirk and Doctor McCoy in order to undergo the mating ritual and save his life.[1]

Pon farr  has occurred as a female Vulcan cycle in the character of T'Pol from the final Star Trek  series, Enterprise.

Spock experienced an accelerated version of pon farr  due to the Genesis planet's influence in Star Trek III, as a young man. He was aided by fellow half-Vulcan, Saavik.

In Voyager,  Tuvok experienced pon farr  while the vessel was trapped far away from any other Vulcans, so he was unable to mate with his wife. Initially he claimed that he had Tarkalean flu to the crew to spare the embarrassment of discussing his actual condition. He attempted to control the pon farr  through meditation and drugs, but was not ultimately successful until he met with his wife in a holodeck program.

Star Trek  DC comics 7 and 8 in 1984. Saavik went into a fever, Pon Farr  and attacked the Enterprise. When Saavik crash lands on a Romulan controlled planet; her mate, Xon, explains she is going through Pon Farr.  And, issue 8 the comic emphasized she mated with him to help her through Pon Farr  since Xon was her mate.

In fan fiction
Pon farr  also occurs, and has been extensively elaborated from what is canon, in fan fiction. One such fan fiction story is "The Ring of Soshern",  which was probably written before 1976, and circulated as samizdat until 1987, when it was formally published in the anthology Alien Brothers.  The story is denoted as a "K/S" story the designation for fan fiction stories that feature an explicitly sexual relationship between Kirk and Spock. (See slash fiction.) In the story, Kirk and Spock beam down to an unexplored planet, and are marooned there when the Enterprise is forced away by an ion storm. [1]

One element of pon farr  in fan fiction that is typified by "The Ring of Soshern"  is that Spock is unwilling to engage in sexual intercourse even when in the full throes of pon farr.  This plot device allows stories to include many more occasions for erotic couplings. Other such elements include "plak tow"  as the name for the blood fever; the fact that Kirk, because of his empathic bond with Spock, can sense when Spock is about to go into pon farr,  and even suffers some of its symptoms himself; and "lingering death" as the name for the death of a Vulcan male in pon farr  who is unable to claim a mate.[1][2][3]

Interpretation
Pon farr  stories are so popular with slash story fans that at least one fanzine, Fever,  is devoted to containing only pon farr  stories. Constance Penley believes that part of the stories' popularity rests in the idea of men being subject to a hormonal cycle, observing that in slash fiction the symptoms of pon farr  are "wickedly and humorously made to parallel those of PMS and menstruation, in a playful and transgressive levelling of the biological playing field".[2]

Pon farr  is perceived by many female fans of Star Trek  fan fiction as a symbol of human sexuality in American males, who, like Vulcans, are trained not to express their feelings. The fan fiction stories are guides for readers in how to handle sexual encounters with human men, who are just as "alien" as Vulcans to women, being equally as unpredictable and uncontrolled.[4]

Contrast
Pon farr  in canon and pon farr  in fan fiction are presented very differently. In the TV series, sex is an intrusion into the world of work and male companionship. Vulcan males find pon farr  to be embarrassing. It is uncontrollable, physical, and frightening. In fan fiction, in contrast, pon farr  reveals male emotions in a controlled manner, making them available to the female partner, who controls the male's less controllable physical urges via the telepathic contact that married Vulcans share. [4]

Fan fiction stories embodying this are the "Night of the Twin Moons"  series by Jean Lorrah, in which Amanda teaches Sarek and then other Vulcan couples to enjoy pon farr  and to accept their physical and emotional natures.[4]




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"Tu doives entendre je t'aime."
(and you know who I am...)


Cowboy Curtis (Laurence Fishburne)
and Pee-wee in the 1990 episode
"Camping Out"