The Bar Scene with Jack and Ennis

[Toast]

How is this for flirting??



Back to your topic, Jakefan
your question was about Ennis following Jack
and about Jack being willing to take the lead.

I just studied the scene of Jack and Ennis walking on the sidewalk, and in answer to "and why would Jack let him walk behind him."
Actually if you watch carefully you will see that Jack stays on the inside (their left) of the sidewalk with enough room for Ennis to walk beside him.
Ennis stays on the right side of the sidewalk but a couple of steps behing Jack,
As they get to the overhanging roof in front of the bar, Ennis actually steps into the street - maybe to get a wider view of the unfamiliar territory coming up.
Ennis really presents himself as the subordinate person in that scene.  (or maybe sizing up his new buddy - lol)

[serious crayons]

How is this for flirting??

Amazing. Toast, you are the master of visual effects.

[jakefan]

First off, I am doing fine.  Thank you for asking Pierre.  How are you?  This is amazing.  Of course, I have to watch this scene again because my mind is going a mile a minute.  I never noticed that Jack walks on the left side of the sidewalk and Ennis is on the right side and that they are walking in sync (why would I think otherwise  ).  I completely missed what was behind their heads in this scene.  Wow...I feel like I have missed a bunch of details.  Toast, I completely forgot about what is written in the screenplay.  Thank you for posting it for me.  I just thought that maybe this scene is to show how their relationship has evolved from then to when they are on the mountain.  First, Ennis is a step behind Jack, then he is riding beside him (like Toast said), and then, he finally takes the lead at the Reunion Scene.

[Cameron]

How is this for flirting??

Wow, how does the picture move like that"

I have a question, do their elbows touch at all at the bar when Ennis gets the lighter, it sort of looked to me like they do.

Or am I mistaken?

If not, another early sign..
Another early sign

[jakefan]

I'm not sure.  If not, they are pretty close.  Good observation.

[Toast]

This is a very thought provoking question from jakefan.

I didn't make the connection that Ennis was the one who set the tone when he stood at the top of the stairs and said "Jack fuckin' Twist" and proceeded to grab Jack (who was so receptive), knocked his hat off and gave him the kiss of his life.  (I knew it happened that way, but I didnt compare it to the leader/led from 4 years earlier.)

Now I want to check out the elbows for marlb42 (and me too, of course.)

Xcellent thread guys and gals.

[Lynne]

Welcome, jakefan and marlb42!

This is a terrific thread!  All this time, and I haven't EVER thought about the dartboard or the ray of sunshine - thanks Amanda!  And I *LOVE* the newbies who are getting these conversations going again!  YEE-HAW!

 

[jakefan]

Thank you for your comments Toast and Lynne.  I'm trying not to get up from the computer to watch the scene again  .

[Toast]

I agree with you jakefan - we are torn between the computer and the video - and trying not to forget that we have a real life away from Jack and Ennis, too.


And marlb42:  I have six images that I think answer the elbow question:

In frame 2 Jack moves his elbow further in on the bar and toward Ennis a bit.
In frames 3 and 4 Ennis (first) and then Jack have moved their elbows away from the other guy.
In frame 5 Ennis has taken his elbow and arm off the bar.
When Jack passes the lighter, he retracts his elbow away from Ennis.

The elbows do NOT touch.
Nieither do the fingers when they pass the lighter.

next?  -  lol

[Cameron]

Wow, all that work to answer my question!!!!!

oh well, but in  1 and 2 they do look awfully close!!!!

Thanks