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Re: Book Discussion: Brokeback Mountain
« Reply #70 on: October 10, 2007, 10:17:04 am »
Sure e-nuff, Scott! Isn't it amazing how Osana/McMurtry breathed life into these fleeting references in the story??

Please join me in reading the story again in preparation for the 10-year-anniversary of the publication!!


I will!!
When exactly is the anniversary?
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Re: Book Discussion: Brokeback Mountain
« Reply #71 on: October 10, 2007, 10:21:15 am »
When exactly is the anniversary?
The story was originally published (sans the italicized prologue, which was omitted due to editorial oversight) in the October 13, 1997 issue of The New Yorker.

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Re: Book Discussion: Brokeback Mountain
« Reply #72 on: October 10, 2007, 11:31:52 am »
My theory about that oversite came when I heard her speak at Davidson College last year, she said she had send the story to the publisher and suddenly realized the ending was not correct, she called them and read over the phone to them how it was supposed to end, had a time getting it fixed. It was going to end with "sometimes the sheets", but she added:

"There was some space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you got to stand it."

Then the story came out starting with "They were raised on small poor ranches..." insted of "Ennis Delmar wakes before five...."
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Re: Book Discussion: Brokeback Mountain
« Reply #73 on: October 10, 2007, 11:34:45 am »
I just love the story.
It's a different feel than in the movie.
I think Ennis is a little more open.
In the SS I getthe feeling that things could have been different.
I don't get that in the movie till it's too late.
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Re: Book Discussion: Brokeback Mountain
« Reply #74 on: October 10, 2007, 01:17:40 pm »
I agree, Lee; short-story Ennis seem much more self-aware (and is more articulate) at an earlier stage than his film counterpart. The theme of the story revolves around the society's homophobia, while the film pivots just as much around Ennis's internalized self-loathing.

At the same time, both Jack and Ennis are much less idealized in the story than they are in the film (this is especially true for Jack). Both men seem more selfish and self-serving in the story than how Ang presents them in the movie--and yet, the sympathetic reader feels no less love and concern for them in spite of this.

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Re: Book Discussion: Brokeback Mountain
« Reply #75 on: October 24, 2007, 10:21:57 pm »
Love your observations about the Thresher.  I had never contemplated threshers beyond the submarine.  But the more you mention, the more appropros the use of that particular disaster from that era.  Let me add just one thing to your thresher comment -- the symbol of death is often called "The Grim Reaper" (again referential to some kind of farm equipment) . . .

You bring up some good points. As a farm boy (who listened endlessly to my dad and granddad) the analogy of reaping and threshing is ominous. A reaper was a machine that was used to cut grain, that is, to mow/cut it down. Later, technology expanded to include a "drop reaper" - a machine that combined the functions of cutting the grain and binding the bundles with twine/rope to be picked up later and taken to the "threshing machine." This is where the grain was separated from the hulls or chaff, literally by being pounded and pummeled. Of course, by 1963 all these functions were integrated into a "combine" - one machine that does it all from cutting to separating the grain. A variation of "thresh" is "thrash."  "Thrashed to within an inch of his life..."  For Jack, a gloomy instance of foreshadowing.
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Re: Book Discussion: Brokeback Mountain
« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2007, 02:09:35 am »
Could Larry McMurtry have unwittingly inspired the characters of Jack Twist and Ennis Del Mar as well as some of the story of Brokeback Mountain?  In The Late Child, a novel of his published in 1995, there is a minor incident towards the end of the book in Chapter 14 that causes me to wonder.  Here are a few quotes, condensed from several pages:
 
(At the airport)  ".... noticed a young cowboy, sitting a few seats away.  The cowboy was short and skinny.  When she glanced at him she saw that he was bent over, with his face in his hands, crying.  His skinny shoulders were shaking, and his black cowboy hat had fallen off his head and was on the floor, by his boots.
 
.... All he had with him was a small duffel bag, with a pair of spurs dangling from the handle, and a rope.  His boots were dusty and his pants legs were a little too long--he had stepped on the cuffs and left them pretty frayed.  Since he had his face in his hands it was difficult to tell exactly how old he was, but he looked to be only in his late teens.
 
.... 'Can I help you, sir?' she asked, sitting down beside him.
 
The boy, his face wet with tears, looked up at her--his look was blank.
 
'Jody's dead,' the young man said simply, as if it should be obvious to any passerby why he was sitting in the Tulsa airport at midnight, crying.
 
'That old pickup of ours didn't have no seat belts on the driver's side,' he went on.  'Jody always drove like a bat out of hell even when there wasn't no hurry.  She missed a curve and flipped.  Got thrown clean out of the window and broke her neck.  Kilt instantly.  The kids weren't hurt, though.
 
... 'Jody was your wife?' (she) asked.
 
'Yep, only she ain't no more, she's dead, and I got two kids to raise and not a cent to my name.  I sure can't make enough calf roping to support two kids, so I guess that's the end of rodeoing
 

.... she said. 'I hope you don't mind if I sit with you for a while.'  'No, ma'am, I don't,' the boy said.  I'm Wesley Straw.  I come all the way up here from Lubbock and didn't win a cent.  I don't know how we'll even scrape up the money to bury Jody... my folks don't think I should have married Jody in the first place....
 
'Oh God, ma'am, I just can't believe she's dead,' Wesley said.  'All she was doing was driving home.  They estimate she was going better than ninety...
 
'Maybe you can get back to rodeoing a little later, Wesley," (she) said...
 
But Wesley Straw shook his head.  'I should have give it up already,' he said. 'It was just a dream I had, when I was growing up.  I wanted to be a world's champion cowboy so bad-- or at least to get to the national finals.  But I can't afford my own trailer, so when I enter a rodeo I have to borrow a horse to rope off of.  But that's no good.  I ain't familiar with the horse, and the horse ain't familiar with me  Sometimes I'll be riding a different roping horse every time I rope.  You don't get nowhere that way.  All the good ropers got their own trailers and their own horses.'
 
'It don't matter now,' he went on. 'Jody was getting tired of me going off and never bringing home no money.  I would have had to give up and go to work in the oil fields anyway, pretty soon.  God, I hate the thought of spending the rest of my life working in the stinking oilfields.'
 
'Wesley, I lost my daughter recently,' (she) said.
 
'Aw, ma'am, that's worse.' Wesley said, turning his anguished eyes to hers.  'Losing Jody is hell, but if I was to lose one of my girls I'd take a shotgun and blow my head off.'  On impulse he dug in his pocket and pulled out a sweat-stained walled and showed (her) small snapshots of his daughters, aged three and four.
 
Then he pulled out a picture of his wife.
 
'And this is Jody,' he said, offering (her) a picture of a thin-faced, pretty brunette.
 
... Just then Wesley Straw's flight was called.  He popped up and put his black hat back on his head--it looked much too large for his small head and thin neck.  He picked up his duffel bag, which made his spurs jingle a little.
 
... He gave (her) a little nod, and a grateful glance before getting in line to board the plane.  Then he dried his eyes on his shirtsleeve and straightened his black hat on his head.  There was something about his look that broke (her) heart.  He was only nineteen, he had said, and now he was flying off to try his best to be a brave cowboy and raise his little girls, letting go forever his dream of being a world's champion calf roper and getting to compete in the national finals rodeo; all because his wife was driving too fast and failed to make a curve.  Probably it had been hard for Wesley to keep up his hopes anyway, since he didn't even have enough money to own a trailer and didn't get to rope off his own horse.  But he had still been trying.... Now it was over.

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Re: Book Discussion: Brokeback Mountain
« Reply #77 on: November 21, 2007, 09:42:15 am »
The parallels are very eerie, Larry. Thanks for taking the time to type this all out! We know that AP is very well read, and, here's another anecdote, my friend bought me a copy of Telegraph Days from the discard bin at the Ten Sleep Library.
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Re: Book Discussion: Brokeback Mountain
« Reply #78 on: November 21, 2007, 12:27:07 pm »
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snapshots of his daughters, aged three and four.
 

Wonder if their names wer Jody Jr and Alma?
Thats just a little too much coincidence there.
I'm gonna have to read that book!
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Re: Book Discussion: Brokeback Mountain
« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2007, 05:12:19 am »
Wonder if their names wer Jody Jr and Alma?
Thats just a little too much coincidence there.
I'm gonna have to read that book!
Alas, I found McMurtry's book, The Late Child, DREADFULLY BORING...  It's not about cowboyin' at all. Three sisters start off from Las Vegas on a journey that gets them involved with the Mafia in New Jersey.  It was all over the map.  I only read it by accident... then ran into the goodies about the cowboy. 

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