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TJ:
Read the Annie Proulx's book and you will see that Lureen (no maiden name given) Twist was self-centered and was not devoted/dedicated in her life to Jack or their son at all.
As to what cultural/educational/social grouping Lureen belonged in Childress, Texas, the book does not say. Owners of farm and equipment companies don't necessarily have social status in a community.
I am an ol' fuddy-duddy here in regard the up-dated definition borrowed-from-some-webster's interpretation of the word, "gay." (The word "Webster's" is in the public domain. Anyone can make up a dictionary and use it in the title.)
Ennis Del Mar, because he was in complete denial of his homosexual orientation, was not gay. He was not happy at all and feared for his live because of his sexual orientation. I don't think he was bisexual however; I have known quite a few homosexual men who had been heterosexually married, all for the wrong reasons, too.
And on another note with modern usage/misapplication of words, all heterosexuals are not "straight." One who is "straight" is one who always tries to do the right things."
In their original definitions, "gay" is not the opposite of "straight."
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: ednbarby on May 07, 2006, 05:31:51 pm ---Secretly, I'm with you, Spark. I get especially annoyed at those who contend that Ennis "wasn't really gay." Yeah, OK. And based on their "logic," Lureen really wasn't straight, either. In her own way, she too dedicated her entire adult life to Jack, but had she not met him, she would have been with other women. ::)
I'd *really* like to see that one laid to rest.
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Where do you guys hear arguments like this? I don't talk about the movie anywhere except here. I haven't been to imdb in days or weeks. I stopped mentioning it to friends and family long ago. So I rarely hear those really ridiculous claims anymore.
RouxB:
Well Barby-the argument is about to be set up because one of those "holy grail" interpretations that I can find a way to ague was juuuusssstttt offered in one of the previous 4 posts... hmmm what could it be?
Some swear that when Ennis was minding the sheep during Aguire's visit, one of the sheep whispered to Ennis "Jack loves you, go to him, s'alright". I'm not sure if I heard it, my DVD is kinda dark ;)
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ednbarby:
I don't hear it here, of course, Katherine. But I've heard it in the past on the IMDb board and from people I know personally who've seen the movie - one who loved it and has seen it many times and one who didn't like it much at all. The argument is that Ennis wasn't really gay - that had he not met and fallen in love with Jack, he would have been perfectly fine with being just with women. Now to the extent that it took Jack's dedication and perserverence to bring the real Ennis out, I can agree that he most likely never would have been with a man sexually if not for Jack. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't have deep down wanted to. Your orientation is your orientation. You can deny it, but you cannot change it. It'd be like trying to will your irises to be blue instead of brown.
TJ, I was just making the flipside Lureen argument to show how ludicrous the former is. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that one. Believe me, I know she wasn't really dedicated to Jack. :)
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: ednbarby on May 07, 2006, 06:27:39 pm ---I don't hear it here, of course, Katherine. But I've heard it in the past on the IMDb board and from people I know personally who've seen the movie - one who loved it and has seen it many times and one who didn't like it much at all. The argument is that Ennis wasn't really gay - that had he not met and fallen in love with Jack, he would have been perfectly fine with being just with women. Now to the extent that it took Jack's dedication and perserverence to bring the real Ennis out, I can agree that he most likely never would have been with a man sexually if not for Jack. But that doesn't mean he wouldn't have deep down wanted to. Your orientation is your orientation. You can deny it, but you cannot change it. It'd be like trying to will your irises to be blue instead of brown.
TJ, I was just making the flipside Lureen argument to show how ludicrous the former is. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that one. Believe me, I know she wasn't really dedicated to Jack. :)
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Oh, I know the gist of the argument. I remember it plenty from imdb. It's silly, and it ignores any number of clues in the movie.
But Lureen wasn't really dedicated to Jack? Hunh? Or am I not getting your meaning?
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