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what do you believe?
forsythia12:
good to hear from you brokeplex! keep posting.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on February 20, 2008, 01:00:17 am ---ok I understand,
I guess I am a "cafeteria" Baptist. I have no qualms about picking and choosing the beliefs which are compatible with my conscience and rejecting those that conflict with me. But I understand that many people with sincere religious beliefs can not do this. Some of the doctines and interpretations of scripture creates a conflict in many women, it also creates a conflict with gays.
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That's pretty much it. I had a related discussion on another board once.
The topic was "Can a person be X and a Christian?" (X does not refer to being gay in my example)
I voted no, because X was specifically forbidden by the Bible, not hinted at, flat out "be this and die". Quite a few people on the board opposed me because they too were 'cafeteria Christians' and believed X was OK and compatible with Christianity. One person who sided with me, agreed with me but for a different reason I thought quite interesting.
She said X couldn't be compatible with Christianity simply because of language, understanding and communication.
When we say 'Christian' those familiar with the religion have an idea of what a Christian should be. We all hear the word and have the same basic understanding. To add something unassociated with Christianity to the definition of a Christian and you suddenly change the understanding of the word and communication falls apart.
It would be like saying, "I'm a vegetarian, but I eat meat 3 times a week" or "I'm a Christian Scientist and I have Blue Cross."
The word no longer has an understandable meaning.
--- Quote ---Maybe it is because in my denomination a doctrine known as the "Priesthood of the Believer" is taught. Essentially that encourages a personal relationship with Christ without passing thru doctrine or ministers.
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How very pagan. ;)
forsythia12:
yes, you are very right to say that the meaning of christianity, the definition, and all that it involves has changed drastically over time, as with many many new churches under the 'christian' umbrella. you make a very good poing delalluvia.
thank you for that.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on February 20, 2008, 01:59:33 am ---That's pretty much it. I had a related discussion on another board once.
The topic was "Can a person be X and a Christian?" (X does not refer to being gay in my example)
I voted no, because X was specifically forbidden by the Bible, not hinted at, flat out "be this and die". Quite a few people on the board opposed me because they too were 'cafeteria Christians' and believed X was OK and compatible with Christianity. One person who sided with me, agreed with me but for a different reason I thought quite interesting.
She said X couldn't be compatible with Christianity simply because of language, understanding and communication.
When we say 'Christian' those familiar with the religion have an idea of what a Christian should be. We all hear the word and have the same basic understanding. To add something unassociated with Christianity to the definition of a Christian and you suddenly change the understanding of the word and communication falls apart.
It would be like saying, "I'm a vegetarian, but I eat meat 3 times a week" or "I'm a Christian Scientist and I have Blue Cross."
The word no longer has an understandable meaning.
How very pagan. ;)
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could I be a pagan at heart? well, if the pagans will sing the old gospel hymns from the Broadman Hymnal, I'll join up! I think the hymns are about the only thing that draws me back to church every 6 months or so, and DL's prompting.
Artiste:
I saw many different parts of Italy last night on TV... on a French channel in France, and was surprised to find out about religion(s) and art there!! But in all the towns or cities, in ONLY one NUDE art was allowed - otherwise, the popes, etc., killed you?? !!
Religious believes did vary very much in Italy and the rest of Europe.
It was I think in only one city in Italy where you could draw, paint, or sculpt a nude body, without being murdered for it!! That became the Renaissance!
One man (was it the King in Spain? living in Italy) built a mile long corridor so he could see not only nudes sculptures, but other such art, walking from one end of it to the other, so he would NOT be killed!!
Maybe one can build that now, since many countries or religions do not allow an artist to create nude art to-day? Or will it come to that (even in the USA, England, France, etc., ), since a parent can NOT even take photos of his/her nude child (infant) anymore without police bringing you to court for that in Canada??
To me, every human is nude!! So, why are certain religions and other institutions or peoples or persons, against that??
Hugs!!
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