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sexual orientation, jealousy, and the definition of infidelity.
Shasta542:
Lots of gas stations have condoms, tho.
optom3:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on March 11, 2008, 02:45:31 pm ---Exactly!
So sad, isn't it? :(
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I agree and it is even more poignant in the book.Immediately after the I miss you so much converation, "Ennis put his arm round Jack,pulled him close"
I love that sentence.To me it seems so tender,Jack is in pain and Ennis recognises this. I wish it had been in the film.
I feel by that time Ennis knows he loves Jack.He cannot come to terms with it,which is his tragedy.
He is so jealous of Jack and mexico,and for there to be jealousy,there must be love.
We see no jealousy from Jack,because I think he realises that Ennis has not been with another man.Heis not tested by having to deal with that. I think sex and love have to be separated.Potentially another man has the ability to steal Jack's heart,a woman does not,hence the extreme rage of Ennis.
What is another problem is that Jack has come to terms with his sexuality,Ennis still has not.It is hard enough for Ennis to be with one man,so he is probably also jealous of Jacks ability to go with other men.
It is the extent of Ennis's rage which I think shows the level of his love. It is the extent of Jacks frustration(i wish i knew how to quit you) that shows the extent of his love.
The tragedy is that neither ever reconcile either of the above.But then if they had it would have been a happy ever after film and I would not still sit sobbing,every time I watch it,or read the book.
southendmd:
--- Quote from: optom3 on March 11, 2008, 03:23:11 pm ---I agree and it is even more poignant in the book.Immediately after the I miss you so much converation, "Ennis put his arm round Jack,pulled him close"
I love that sentence.To me it seems so tender,Jack is in pain and Ennis recognises this. I wish it had been in the film.
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I agree, Optom, it would have been nice to see that.
I don't think Ennis was particularly jealous of the Mexico thing. It's hard to be jealous of a nameless prostitute. Jack pretty much says it's just for sex. However, he might have been jealous of Randall. Except that Ennis didn't find out about Randall until Old Man Twist spilled the beans. I love the way Ennis subtly flares his nostrils at that point, as if to say, "What's this about another fella?"
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: southendmd on March 11, 2008, 03:32:23 pm ---I love the way Ennis subtly flares his nostrils at that point, as if to say, "What's this about another fella?"
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One of Heath's greatest moments in the film, God rest him. The barely perceptible nostril flare and lip quivver as if he's about to break down and start to cry. You could miss it if you're not watching closely.
And Jack's mother picks up on it. Why, in my opinion, she intervenes at just that point and offers to let Ennis go up to Jack's room. Not so he will find the shirts, but so he can keep his dignity by having his cry in private and not in front of John Twist.
So like a mother who loved an only son. ...
optom3:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on March 11, 2008, 04:19:14 pm ---One of Heath's greatest moments in the film, God rest him. The barely perceptible nostril flare and lip quivver as if he's about to break down and start to cry. You could miss it if you're not watching closely.
And Jack's mother picks up on it. Why, in my opinion, she intervenes at just that point and offers to let Ennis go up to Jack's room. Not so he will find the shirts, but so he can keep his dignity by having his cry in private and not in front of John Twist.
So like a mother who loved an only son. ...
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Wow, really great point.
Moms who love their kids tend to be so observant.I remember I used to say,of my patients if mom was worried about something,then so was I.
I completely agree,she knows Ennis is about to lose it,and gives him the dignity to do so in private.Whether or not she thinks he will find the shirts,and I think she probably does,she is sensitive enough to let him have his time.
The reason I think she realises he will get the shirts is again,a mothers love and sensitivity.She picks up on the grief of Ennis,and wants him to not only have his privacy,but also a remembrance of the son she obviously loved,and knows that Ennis loved too.
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