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Annie Proulx's still pissed...
Katie77:
The bottome line is.....BBM became bigger than Annie Proulx.
For the average movie goer who enjoyed the movie, most of them probably dont even know her name.
When you mention BBM to anyone, do they bring her name up.....none that I have ever spoken to, except on here. She is way down the list of credits.......and I dont think she likes that, and interviews like this latest one, seem to be her way of re-stamping her name on the story, like a dog pissing out his territory.
Its like SHE is the only one allowed to interpret the story, because she wrote it, its like you can like it, but you must like it the way I want you to like it. "If you dont play by my rules, Im gonna take my bat and ball and go home"....
She put it out there, she gave it to McMurtry and Ossama.....they gave it to Ang....who gave it to Heath and Jake.....each one doing with it, the way they inerpretted it......then they gave it to us......and we are doing with it, what all the others did.
She is a long long way down the chain...........Annie ???........Annie WHO ????
Jeff Wrangler:
This is, indeed, a fascinating thread, but I'll tell you what. I must be missing something, because I think I'm seeing a lot of free-flowing anger directed at Annie Proulx that really seems to me to have very little relationship to what she actually said in the interview that Eric quoted in his first post:
--- Quote ---PROULX: Oh, yeah. In Wyoming they won’t read it. A large section of the population is still outraged. But that’s not where the problem was. I’m used to that response from people here, who generally do not like the way I write. But the problem has come since the film. So many people have completely misunderstood the story. I think it’s important to leave spaces in a story for readers to fill in from their own experience, but unfortunately the audience that Brokeback reached most strongly have powerful fantasy lives. And one of the reasons we keep the gates locked here is that a lot of men have decided that the story should have had a happy ending. They can’t bear the way it ends—they just can’t stand it. So they rewrite the story, including all kinds of boyfriends and new lovers and so forth after Jack is killed. And it just drives me wild. They can’t understand that the story isn’t about Jack and Ennis. It’s about homophobia; it’s about a social situation; it’s about a place and a particular mindset and morality. They just don’t get it. I can’t tell you how many of these things have been sent to me as though they’re expecting me to say, oh great, if only I’d had the sense to write it that way. And they all begin the same way—I’m not gay, but . . . The implication is that because they’re men they understand much better than I how these people would have behaved. And maybe they do. But that’s not the story I wrote. Those are not their characters. The characters belong to me by law.
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Where is all this anger coming from?
Katie77:
It did not take that particular interview to make me dislike her.
I have read several interviews and read several posts, and they all describe "whats her name" in a similar light....
"Dont want to talk about BBM, thats history, Ive made my money, now lets get onto something new that I can make some money from and boost my ego".
I was pissed off with her the first time I read her bloody story......120 fucking pages......120....if it wasnt for McMurtry, Ossama, Ang, Heath and Jake it would still be tomorrows fish and chip wrappings.
ifyoucantfixit:
They can’t understand that the story isn’t about Jack and Ennis. It’s about homophobia; it’s about a social situation; it’s about a place and a particular mindset and morality. They just don’t get it. I can’t tell you how many of these things have been sent to me as though they’re expecting me to say, oh great, if only I’d had the sense to write it that way. And they all begin the same way—I’m not gay, but . . . The implication is that because they’re men they understand much better than I how these people would have behaved. And maybe they do. But that’s not the story I wrote. Those are not their characters. The characters belong to me by law.
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Now in my opinion there is no way possible, to misinterpret that particular statement. She is saying that
we don't get it. We don't understand the story, is about homophobia, not about Jack and Ennis. She is
not giving any respect to the people that "do" understand the entire thing. We know that it is about how
people behave when confronted by homophobia. We know that it could have been about any two men, by
any other names. However it is about them, because she did give them names, and made it about the way
they reacted because of the atmosphere they were in.
We who read and even those who write fanfiction about these two characters, dont do it for the benefit
of telling her that her story is more capably finished by others in a different way. I think she is only saying
that in order to justify her own attitude. I think that the people that do send her information, which I doubt
is a very few. Are merely doing it to try and show her how they enjoyed the story so much that they wish to have it continue to live in more than one way. I doubt if she is sincere in her attitude about it all, because
she knows that. She is not losing any money on it. They certainly are not demeaning her terrific story. However having said that, I do think that if she stands by her own statement that people should finish the
story the way they feel it should be, according to their own experiences. Then she will understand that the
stories that are written are only continuing a love affair with the story she started. I for one am very
disappointed that she has such an uncaring attitude toward the people that so obviously revere the story
as written, and filmed, and remembered. It will continue to grow as time goes by, in spite of her onus
attitude, or her mean spirited talk.
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Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Katie77 on May 07, 2009, 10:03:35 pm ---It did not take that particular interview to make me dislike her.
I have read several interviews and read several posts, and they all describe "whats her name" in a similar light....
"Dont want to talk about BBM, thats history, Ive made my money, now lets get onto something new that I can make some money from and boost my ego".
I was pissed off with her the first time I read her bloody story......120 fucking pages......120....if it wasnt for McMurtry, Ossama, Ang, Heath and Jake it would still be tomorrows fish and chip wrappings.
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Well, I hope you're enjoying wallowing in your anger. Whether you like her or not, without her there would have been no film--that's a fact no one can escape whether they like Annie Proulx or despise her.
And no, "Brokeback Mountain" was a prize-winning short story long before Ang Lee, etc., came along. So it would not have been tomorrow's fish and chips wrappings.
I have no idea what you're referring to by "120 fucking pages," so let be, let be.
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