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wolf:
wow, very interesting to see that Tally of Tears  :o :( :'(.  had realised Ennis was more of a crier than Jack, but not THAT much more  ;D.  makes sense tho, as previous poster said.  he's less able to vent via articulation than Jack, so the ol' pressure cooker blows.

just did a quick tally of my own good man's occassions of weepiness, and got something of a surprise there too:

at our wedding
after our first fight
when his father passed away
when our son was born
when our daughter was born
when watching BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN

that's all I know of in 17 years - how about them apples  :P.

W

serious crayons:

--- Quote from: wolf on June 08, 2006, 11:22:32 pm ---when watching BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN

--- End quote ---

Now we know why you've let him stick around for 17 years.  :-*

gattaca:
:)
Interesting thread - I just found it. (I'm a little slow on the uptake, I guess).

Jack shed tears alone after the divorce scene, seen by no one, except Ang Lee's camera lens. It resonated with me simply because that's the way I release pain. Privately. (I can't tell you how many times I have shed tears over this movie, but if I were watching it with someone else, I'd bottle that up). Jack's tears were a combination of pain, rage (look closely at his eyes), dashed hopes and desperation.

I have observed that many American men (I'm pretty sure sexual orientation is not a factor) bottle their feelings up publicly. Perhaps that's a contributing factor to our outwardly violent natures.

I couldn't say why Ennis' tears were seen more throughout the film, other than Ang Lee's use of tears to heighten Ennis' emotional conflict (Jack was not nearly as conflicted) - I believe that Ennis had that 'tape' of his dad showing the two brothers Earl's dry-gulched corpse playing in his head every time Jack made even the most subtle reference to the two of them having a life together - and by extension, I also think anyone trying to get close to Ennis, male or female, would trigger that 'tape'. Ennis is held forever hostage to his father's singular hatreds and it poisoned every good thing that ever happened to Ennis.

Ennis' tears had far more complex sources than did Jack's.

bbm_stitchbuffyfan:
I think Jack did some crying after the final lake scene. Just my theory. And he definitely looked on the verge of tears in the "You've seen this?" scene (see: my avatar).

This is a really interesting thread though. Can't contribute much else right now.

Rayn:
There's a lot here, so I'll just try to answer the original questions:


1.  Were they really more in touch with their feelings than we know or did they repress them?

I saw Jack as being more aware of his feelings and then Ennis came along in time, but both were very aware of how they felt about each other after their reunion.  They both had social conventions of their "cowboy" society to contend with and that makes they often appear to repress, but it's more "control" their feelings, I think.
 
2.  Do you think they showed more in private where we would not see them?

Yes, I do.

3.  Also.....this question came up.......about men crying..... Do you think men cry as easily as we women do? 

No, it depends on the person.  I cry more easily than many women friends of mine, but to look at me, you'd never expect that would be the case.   There's nothing "lady like" about me.

5.  or No, they push it down deep?

Some do, others don't.

6.  Is sensitivity a gender trait?

No, men can just as sensitive or more sensitive than women and vice versa.

7.  How have you felt seeing a man cry?

I feel sympathy, usually.  If it's a friend, I may try to comfort or encourage, but I'd never stop anyone from crying if they feel such emotions.


8.  Who was more sensitive ..Jack or Ennis??

They are both sensitive. Ennis was very sensitive, but couldn't deal with it was well.  Jack showed his sensitivity more easily.  They were both hurt by not being able to be together and both of them showed that is different ways.  I have no problem with either of them crying.  Tears are an expression of human emotion.  They have nothing to do with gender, unless you are conditioned to think they are.   Also, being in love is often an overwhelming emotional experience and emotions that are as strong as Love cannot always be "control" and don't always fit into neat "male or female' behavior packages.   You know?

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