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Exactly WHEN does Jack decide.. th 1st tent scene..is gonna be th 1s tent scene?

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isabelle:
What has been expressed so far has been so in such beautiful ways, that I wonder if my post is worth it. But I agree with latjoreme and lucise: I don't think there was a plan on Jack's part to get Ennis drunk. Jack was certainly attracted to Ennis from very early on, and just seized the opportunity when it came his way - their being drunk, especially Ennis, and being inside the tent. I think Jack was not a great planner, but he does seem pretty confident about what he's doing when he leads Ennis's hand to his crotch in the 1st TS. He must have felt confident that Ennis was attracted to him too, or at least took his chance on what might have been just his own interpretation.

twistedude:
For littleguitar, and others who didn't think Jack made up his mind till they were both sitting by the tent flap, IMNSHO==you're "a few sandwiches short of a picinic"--(picked that up in fanfiction today--I think, not sure). You are saying that Jack, in his sleep, scootches way over toward Ennis, turns slightly toward Ennis, takes his own hand out of his covers, gropes for Ennis's hand, pulls it across his body and down into his own blankets to his groin...in his sleep. Then when Ennis sits up--like a jack-in-the-box, Jack just a fraction of a second behind him--and Jack says "come on!' softly, grabsat  BOTH Ennis's lapels, afraid he's maybe going to bolt, and then sees he isn't, ands drops the right one,  and looks at him with utter calmness, removes his jacket,  while Ennis's tortured face first expresses "what'r you doing?" and then "NOW I know what we're doing"---you're saying there's no agressor here?

It is in the fighting-off, then drawing toward him of Jack's hands on his shoulders, head, with his own hands etc, that Ennis makes up his mind...of course, it's not his mind. He left it in his other suit (Old saying of my father's).

Maybe I can live a few more days without the DVD...

littleguitar:
Hey now, no need to get feisty... can't we express opinions without name calling? 

Besides that, I wasn't saying that Jack wasn't the agressor, or that he only made up his mind right then and there.  I think Jack knew all along how he felt and, like I said in my post before, that there was a slow seduction and Jack working on Ennis the entire time up until that tent scene.  I was merely pointing out that, in the tent scene, there is a moment of hesitation for Jack as well, that I think his boldness surprised even him and that, for a second, he realized how dangerous it could be if he follows through.  As for grabbing Ennis's hand in his sleep, I think it's possible, I'm a pretty active sleeper and have done more than that in my sleep.  And I know I'm not the only one who thinks Jack was asleep or out of it when he grabbed Ennis's hand, there was an entire discussion on this over on imdb before chez tremblay even existed... That is not to say that I don't think Jack knew what he wanted or did not actively move on Ennis, because I think he did.  I just think that Jack wasn't entirely confident about the situation either, and I definitely do not think that he had some elaborate plan to get Ennis drunk then seduce him.

vkm91941:
OK, adjusting my moderator cap... Can we please keep personalities out of our discussions.  We all have opinions and everyone's is Valid.  Our Webmaster Phil has one  rule and one rule only for bettermost.net and that is that we treat each other and our opinions with respect and kindness.  No name calling or arguing  is to be allowed.  Thank you now back to our regularly scheduled chat... 8)

fernly:
A couple observations to add in...
when Jack is woken up by Ennis' "hammering," he looks to me (when he's lying there before he speaks and also after he's stuck his head out of the tent and is rubbing his face) like most guys when they're jarred out of a sound sleep, i.e. cranky rather than moving consciously to the next step of a plan. 

However, a few moments later, when Ennis is finally in the tent with him, there is the briefest of (satisfied? anticipatin? just happy and in love?) smiles on Jack's face before the camera cuts away.  That's when I think, maybe, Jack decides.
But, like everyone's said, there're two people in the tent, and Jack is going to be very aware at every moment of Ennis' reactions to everything, and respond as carefully as anyone can in the heat of passion.

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