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Re: Has American Culture Ruined You?
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2007, 08:14:50 pm »
You Have Not Been Ruined by American Culture

You're nothing like the typical American. In fact, you may not be American at all.
You have a broad view of the world, and you're very well informed.
And while you certainly have been influenced by American culture (who hasn't?), it's not your primary influence.
You take a more global philosophy with your politics, taste, and life. And you're always expanding and revising what you believe.

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Re: Has American Culture Ruined You?
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2007, 11:00:57 pm »
Sadly enough the American culture is not very well viewed in most countries. In fact, the rest of the world sees United States as a culture-less country. In Spain, all you see and hear about the US are clothing brands, movie stars, Coca-cola, McDonalds, Burger King, rock bands, war and George Bush.


If you look at the corporate-owned media here in the US, you see the same thing, Natali.  Thanks for defending us.  I'm afraid the pervasive view is truer than I wish.


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Re: Has American Culture Ruined You?
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2007, 11:21:45 pm »
      Truth is.  Most americans dont know the facts or truth about the average people in other countries either.  We know their food, we know a smattering of
their history, and that they all are soccer buffs. 
       We are a victim or our own publicity campaign.. Right now the people in other lands have a predisposed dislike for America.  Mostly because of the war in
Iraq.  Plus the way that our president has conducted his administration.  We forget that it was not that long ago, we were the favorite friend.  We are the ones that are first with our hand up when they are in trouble.  First to lend a hand when they need anything.  We donate more to other countries welfare, and support than any other nation in the world. 
         Fact is we arent very happy with ourselves right now..But that doesnt mean there is anything that is contaminating in the average people..We are no more our government, than the people of Uganda were when Idi Amin was in power..
We have much more to us than McDonalds and Coca Cola.  They just spend the
money to get their name up front and known...you and i dont have that kind of money.. Would that we did..
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Re: Has American Culture Ruined You?
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2007, 11:25:24 pm »
Sadly enough the American culture is not very well viewed in most countries...

If you ask a Spaniards if she/he knows what is the typical american cuisine, she/he will respond hamburgers, french fries and Coke. I have explained my friends that american people actually eat real food, but they don't believe me.

Or anything else American (thanks Dubya!  >:(

Appreciate you speaking up Opinionista.

The thing I have to keep reminding my friends of in Europe and elsewhere is that nearly 1/2 the voting public of the U.S. did not vote for Bush, did not want him for president and do not support his actions or policies.  Yet, all you hear about is how Americans support war-mongering Dubya.  :-\

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Re: Has American Culture Ruined You?
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2007, 12:41:44 am »
Or anything else American (thanks Dubya!  >:(

Appreciate you speaking up Opinionista.

The thing I have to keep reminding my friends of in Europe and elsewhere is that nearly 1/2 the voting public of the U.S. did not vote for Bush, did not want him for president and do not support his actions or policies.  Yet, all you hear about is how Americans support war-mongering Dubya.  :-\

I don't support him. I never did.  >:(

He's a poopy pants president.  :P

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Re: Has American Culture Ruined You?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2007, 12:47:34 am »
This came out right after 9/11.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently [after the 9/11 terrorist attack on the WTC in New York --FvW] to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record.
A step-by-step rebuttal of the following text can be found here: 

http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/usa/sinclair_rebuttal.html


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"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbours have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!



This is a tough topic for me.  America has become the great scapegoat. The purpose of a scapegoat is to avoid taking any responsibility for what happens, or owning one's own shadow.   Sorry to wound the narcissism of some other nations or posters here, but the US is not perfect by a country mile, and never claimed to be - just like everywhere and everyone else.    We all need more courage to be real and less 'black and white' i.e. you're baddies, we're goodies etc..... that attitude really belongs in a playground, not on a global stage.   The Bush Admin has just made it popular in Europe to express that anti-American sentiment.

I recently heard a speaker on the BBC say “Anti american feeling is caused by western European liberals afraid of Islamic hate,  they are siding with those they fear.  The average European will say US Foreign Policy is the reason but that’s just bollocks because they do not fail to hold their hand out to Uncle and his Foreign Policy when they need cash or aid.”    Sorry if I offend anyone here but I tend to agree with that statement.  I have heard people interviewed in the street by the BBC in England, France and German…most expressed affection and great respect for Americans as individuals but no respect what so ever and then actually, some interesting misinformation about America in general.

Ignorance and arrogance is a human problem, not an American one.


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Re: Has American Culture Ruined You?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2007, 12:48:32 am »
 
Whether you live in the US or not, deep down you're a little American.
And there's nothing wrong with loving American culture, but it may have negative effects on your life.
Slow down and enjoy what you have. Reconnect with life's simple pleasures.
You don't need to be in a consumerist rat race. Life's too short to overwork yourself! 


 



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Re: Has American Culture Ruined You?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2007, 01:04:36 am »
I just talked to my British boyfriend about this. He said anti Americanism is close to the boiling point in Great Britain, but he also said he and his friends have no problems with the American people. They DO have problems with the current administration and US foreign policy. But he said most British people don't have a problem with Americans in general, although some do.

Some Americans do act very badly overseas though. I've seen it firsthand. I remember when we were in Spain (Marbella) and we were checking into the hotel there. An American in front of us started yelling and bitching at the hotel clerk because he wasn't fluent in English. This guy turned around and looked at all of us and said something like "I can't believe this country. Nobody speaks English here!"

Mom and I just turned and looked at each other. We were appalled. First of all, I thought the hotel clerk was doing a brilliant job speaking English. But why didn't this guy take a few minutes and try to memorize some Spanish phrases before he left? We were in Spain for God's sakes! This is just one example. I have seen many of them.

I love my fellow Americans and I would do anything in the world for them. But a FEW of them do act very, very badly when they travel. And it makes the rest of us look bad.  >:(
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Re: Has American Culture Ruined You?
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2007, 01:13:01 am »
I just talked to my British boyfriend about this. He said anti Americanism is close to the boiling point in Great Britain, but he also said he and his friends have no problems with the American people. They DO have problems with the current administration and US foreign policy. But he said most British people don't have a problem with Americans in general, although some do.

Some Americans do act very badly overseas though. I've seen it firsthand. I remember when we were in Spain (Marbella) and we were checking into the hotel there. An American in front of us started yelling and bitching at the hotel clerk because he wasn't fluent in English. This guy turned around and looked at all of us and said something like "I can't believe this country. Nobody speaks English here!"

Mom and I just turned and looked at each other. We were appalled. First of all, I thought the hotel clerk was doing a brilliant job speaking English. But why didn't this guy take a few minutes and try to memorize some Spanish phrases before he left? We were in Spain for God's sakes! This is just one example. I have seen many of them.

I love my fellow Americans and I would do anything in the world for them. But a FEW of them do act very, very badly when they travel. And it makes the rest of us look bad.  >:(

I had similar experiences in Greece David, in Athens and again on Santorini but the culprits were not American they were English... Dougie and Jeanette from Manchester to be exact.  The loudest most vulgar people I've met in a long time hence my comment that ignorance and arrogance are not uniquely American problems.  I also witness a very rude outburst from a very well dressed distinguished looking German gentleman on a train in Italy.  Bad form all around.

A jerk is a jerk is a jerk regardless of his nation of birth or it's questionable foreign policy.
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Re: Has American Culture Ruined You?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2007, 01:20:27 am »
There's rude and obnoxious people in every country, isn't there Dottie?

We run into rude people here in Indy each year during the Formula 1 US Grand Prix. People come in from all over; especially Europe. They come here for one weekend and they act like they own the place. They boss us around and many are extremely rude, pushy, obnoxious and hateful. They call us "incompitenet hillbillies" and "stupid Americans". Then once the race is over, they leave. Thank God!

They are debating whether or not to hold the Grand Prix in Indianapolis next year. Most of us in Indianapolis hope they decide to take it somewhere else. Because we are tired of all the cheap shots and put downs from these race fans.

So you're correct Dottie. There is rudeness everywhere. But for some reason, it is MOST noticed when it is found in an American.

We've already heard from my boyfriend Alex.  I don't know. It would be interesting if some of our European Brokies weighed in here.  :D
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