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Cowboy Controversy (Rolling Stone) - Larry Miller, Utah
« on: February 15, 2006, 12:50:28 pm »
Brokeback Mountain becomes a tool of the culture war by conservatives who make stuff up about it without ever seeing it.  The comments from those who've seen it are far more positive, however.

The Brokeback battle began weeks before its December release. On November 6th, conservative blogger Matt Drudge fired the first shot, posting the headline HOLLYWOOD ROCKED: 'GAY COWBOY' MOVIE BECOMES AN OSCAR FRONT-RUNNER and warning that despite "nudity and explicit gay sex scenes," the film was positioned to clean up at the Oscars.

Then came the pile-on. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly said that the liberal media were championing Brokeback in order to "mainstream homosexual conduct"; far-right WorldNetDaily.com accused the film of "raping the Marlboro Man." Pat Robertson said, "I can't subject myself to such moral pollution." And other conservative pundits predicted empty theaters for the film. In Salt Lake City, Larry Miller, owner of the NBA's Utah Jazz, yanked Brokeback from the megaplex he owns hours before showtime.

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Re: Cowboy Controversy (Rolling Stone)
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2006, 12:06:57 am »
He, he, ha, ha, these right-wing numbskulls are hysterical.  Bill O'Reilly never ceases to amaze me by his predilection to show everyone how very small and scared he is.  He calls himself a "traditionalist" but, like "stubborn", that's not something to be proud of.  Anyway, when are the so-called traditionalists going to realize that we're not trying to turn the world gay, we just want them not to care that we are so we can all get on with being happy.  It's good that they're scared though, really scared, that their holier-than-thou, world-is-going-to-hell, scare-mongering is falling on more and more deaf ears.  The sleeper has awakened! :D

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Re: Cowboy Controversy (Rolling Stone)
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2006, 02:31:14 pm »
He, he, ha, ha, these right-wing numbskulls are hysterical.  Bill O'Reilly never ceases to amaze me by his predilection to show everyone how very small and scared he is.  He calls himself a "traditionalist" but, like "stubborn", that's not something to be proud of.  Anyway, when are the so-called traditionalists going to realize that we're not trying to turn the world gay, we just want them not to care that we are so we can all get on with being happy.  It's good that they're scared though, really scared, that their holier-than-thou, world-is-going-to-hell, scare-mongering is falling on more and more deaf ears.  The sleeper has awakened! :D

Brokeback Mountain has been used as a tool in the culture war to prove just about anything you want it to prove, but the wind gets taken out when every one of the principals involved in writing and framing the story have made it clear there is no real political agenda at work in the film.  Its agenda is an emotional one, and if it brings sympathy for these characters into your mind, the end effect of that may be increased tolerance and understanding for those who happen to be gay or lesbian.  Of course, most of the people using this film as a Hollywood-bashing tool haven't seen it and won't publicly admit to ever seeing it (unless they sneak a peak on pay cable or at the video rental store when they can watch it privately.)

I am convinced that as people get to know someone who is gay or lesbian, and they don't end up being much different than themselves, the fear of the unknown starts to diminish some and things get easier.  Of course, there will always be those obsessed with the sex issue, just as they've been for less than two minutes of movie time in Brokeback.  In fact, they probably spend more time dwelling on sex than I do.  Irony... the concept.
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Miller Explains why he chose to pull 'Brokeback'
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2006, 11:10:55 am »
After months of silence, Utah Jazz owner Larry H. Miller has explained his decision to pull ''Brokeback Mountain'' from one of his movie theaters.
   He took the action because he was worried about the breakup of the traditional American family, he told KTVX-TV in an interview.
   ''Getting away from the traditional families, which I look at as the fundamental building block of our society, is a very dangerous thing,'' he said.
   In January, Miller canceled showing of the R-rated Western gay romance story at the Megaplex at Jordan Commons in Sandy. That had been the only one of his theaters that had been scheduled to show the movie, but it was shown at other theaters in the area.
   Miller's decision on Jan. 5 came just two hours after he was told about the movie's subject matter by a KCPW-FM reporter.
   During the KCPW interview, he said booking a movie like ''Brokeback Mountain'' was a business decision, and ''It's something that I have to let the market speak to some degree. I don't think I'm qualified to be the community censor.''
Miller drew both support and criticism within Utah.  The Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Transgender Community Center of Utah has urged people to avoid Miller's businesses.
   Miller said many Utahns responded by buying cars from him.
   ''I had 12 people call and say I bought a car from you today, 'because', and then 27 the next day and then 12 the third day,'' Miller told KTVX.
   Miller said he stands by his decision to pull the movie.
   ''I clearly hurt some individuals' feelings and for that I regret it, but I don't think it should change my opinions and views,'' he said.
   Miller is to deliver a speech at the University of Utah on April 21, over opposition from some on campus.



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Re: Miller Explains why he chose to pull 'Brokeback'
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2006, 11:20:28 am »
I don't know if I'd ever buy a car from someone who yanking a movie from this theatre... that's a bit ridiculous.  Especially like fifty people buying cars from him for that reason.  That's just insane.

And I think it's funny that he actually thinks his action saved the "traditional American family" -- whan an ego.

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Re: Miller Explains why he chose to pull 'Brokeback'
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2006, 11:30:52 am »
no kidding  ::)

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Re: Miller Explains why he chose to pull 'Brokeback'
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2006, 11:33:26 am »
the whole concept is so ridiculous.  was hostel not playing at his theatre?  of course it was.

people drive/walk/bus/fly to the theatre, on their own accord, they go to the counter and purchase a ticket, they walk in, pick a seat, and sit down.  no one is forcing you to watch a movie, and by giving people the option to see it in no way advocates the films subject. 

well i'm glad he sold a couple cars, because we know the other theatres in utah that were showing BBM BANKED.
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Re: Miller Explains why he chose to pull 'Brokeback'
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2006, 11:53:36 am »
The only reason he sold more cars than usual is due to all the FREE advertising he got for himself by being an ass.   

Too bad everyone in a 100 mile radius of him who thought he was being rediculous didn't email him and tell him how many cars he won't be selling them!   >:D

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Re: Miller Explains why he chose to pull 'Brokeback'
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2006, 11:57:26 am »
the whole concept is so ridiculous.  was hostel not playing at his theatre?  of course it was.

people drive/walk/bus/fly to the theatre, on their own accord, they go to the counter and purchase a ticket, they walk in, pick a seat, and sit down.  no one is forcing you to watch a movie, and by giving people the option to see it in no way advocates the films subject. 

well i'm glad he sold a couple cars, because we know the other theatres in utah that were showing BBM BANKED.

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ARTICLE: Miller: Second thoughts about 'Brokeback'?
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2006, 12:10:05 pm »
Larry Miller may be having a change of heart about yanking "Brokeback Mountain" from his Sandy movie theater complex.
    On Thursday, Miller met with about 30 University of Utah students, faculty and administrators - some who opposed him speaking on campus today for a U. community event because he pulled the gay romance film in January.
    After the two-hour discussion, where some people shared their personal stories about being gay, Miller said there were some issues he was going "home [to] think about.''
    "Now, I understand how something I said inadvertently made them feel demeaned as individuals," Miller said after the meeting closed to the public and news media. "Maybe their well-being trumps my beliefs, my rights to express myself."
    Still, some folks said they are going through with the "silent protest" today during Miller's speech in the student union ballroom. Organizers are calling the protest a "celebration of free speech," where they will sit holding banners and listen to Miller. His speech about the "rewards of investing in higher education" kicks off the university's first campuswide open house, Discover U. Days, this weekend.
    People said Thursday's meeting was respectful, warm and honest, and they were pleased with Miller's willingness to reach out to the gay community and discuss his decision to pull the movie.
    During the meeting, folks talked about coming out to their families about being gay and the heartbreak of not being accepted. Others talked about the fear of being physically harmed while walking in public with their partner, said Kathryn Stockton, the U's gender studies program director.
    "I felt like he cared about what we had to say," said Charles Milne, coordinator of the university's Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Campus Resource Center. "I wouldn't say we changed his mind, but I think he did come away with ideas he had to process."
    By pulling the movie from the Jordan Commons movie complex, Miller said he thought he was demonstrating a "social statement," but he didn't think about the consequences, perpetuating gay stereotypes or "the toes I had stepped on."
    "In 2006, it's wrong that they have to live in that fear," he said about the stories he heard during the meeting.
    Kt Farley, a U. student and employee, started an online petition in March asking the university to rescind its invitation to Miller and issue a formal apology.
   Supporters had said Miller did not represent the ideals of open dialogue and respecting different viewpoints.
    About 1,600 people signed the petition that Farley called a success. She said she just wanted to make sure the university takes the gay community into consideration when making decisions.
    "We're a contributing part of the campus community," she said.


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Re: ARTICLE: Miller: Second thoughts about 'Brokeback'?
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2006, 01:34:51 pm »
Wow, I don't know how those students were able to go into that meeting and give him any respect and share themselves with him. I give them props for that. I don't think I'd be able to hold back my anger. More than likely, I'd just avoid it altogether. My railing against him wouldn't have be productive in the least.
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Re: ARTICLE: Miller: Second thoughts about 'Brokeback'?
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2006, 03:34:36 pm »
Seems to me like he's trying to redeem himself.  He certainly had no moral repugnance to films like Hostel or Saw but a love story gets pulled just because the lovers are men.  He really needs to do some serious soul searching about his value system.

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Re: ARTICLE: Miller: Second thoughts about 'Brokeback'?
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2006, 04:02:57 pm »
Other threads have brought up the movie Hostel, and I'm glad. At my theatre complex, it was playing on three screens to BBM's one. It DRIVES ME CRAZY that Hostel came and went without a peep of criticism from the pundits. Even a couple of the college kids who work for me were disgusted by it. Such bald-faced hypocrisy on the part of the Fox Vox, et al. Grrrrrr.

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Re: ARTICLE: Miller: Second thoughts about 'Brokeback'?
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2006, 04:46:07 pm »
He really needs to do some serious soul searching about his value system.

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Re: ARTICLE: Miller: Second thoughts about 'Brokeback'?
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2006, 04:51:34 pm »
Other threads have brought up the movie Hostel, and I'm glad. At my theatre complex, it was playing on three screens to BBM's one. It DRIVES ME CRAZY that Hostel came and went without a peep of criticism from the pundits. Even a couple of the college kids who work for me were disgusted by it. Such bald-faced hypocrisy on the part of the Fox Vox, et al. Grrrrrr.

I didn't show Hostel for reasons beyond my control but from what I've heard it was pretty graphic...a hell of a lot more graphic then BBM....

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Re: ARTICLE: Miller: Second thoughts about 'Brokeback'?
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2006, 11:39:22 pm »
Other threads have brought up the movie Hostel, and I'm glad. At my theatre complex, it was playing on three screens to BBM's one. It DRIVES ME CRAZY that Hostel came and went without a peep of criticism from the pundits. Even a couple of the college kids who work for me were disgusted by it. Such bald-faced hypocrisy on the part of the Fox Vox, et al. Grrrrrr.

I didn't show Hostel for reasons beyond my control but from what I've heard it was pretty graphic...a hell of a lot more graphic then BBM....

actually that goes for every Tarantino film, doesn't it?
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Re: Cowboy Controversy (Rolling Stone)/Larry Miller
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2006, 06:48:22 pm »
This is an experiment... Phillip posted the original article some time ago.  I knew there was a related article in Chez Tremblay.  I am testing out the topic merge functionality to see how it works and because I want to post a follow-up article to these today.

My concern is that the topic merge doesn't seem to let me leave a link to the new topic (like it does when a thread is moved) so I will do that at Chez Tremblay next.

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Re: Miller Explains why he chose to pull 'Brokeback'
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2006, 07:06:32 pm »
During the KCPW interview, he said booking a movie like ''Brokeback Mountain'' was a business decision, and ''It's something that I have to let the market speak to some degree. I don't think I'm qualified to be the community censor.''

Why does he say this after he pulled the film?  And saying that he sold cars "because" is offensive.  This is all about bigotry and the promotion of discrimination by saying that others had gone out of their way to agree and support his homophobic views (i.e. buying cars).  But then to make a statement that it was a business decision???  Well I guess he can add spineless to his list of attributes: "you lack the courage of your convictions sir".  If you want to take a stand against freedom of speech because you don't like what's being said, don't insult us with lies that it's a business decisions.
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Re: Cowboy Controversy (Rolling Stone)/Larry Miller
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2006, 07:10:13 pm »
Here is the promised link to an update on Larry Miller, who delivered his speech as originally scheduled at the University of Utah.

I liked the idea of so many students wearing cowboy hats to support Brokeback Mountain.  It seemed to be a positive protest, and Larry Miller made some remarks that have a more conciliatory tone than some of his earlier statements.  I hope he is sincere, but the last line of the article, indicating that he still does not intend to see the movie, leaves me skeptical.

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Re: Miller Explains why he chose to pull 'Brokeback'
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2006, 04:38:08 pm »
During the KCPW interview, he said booking a movie like ''Brokeback Mountain'' was a business decision, and ''It's something that I have to let the market speak to some degree. I don't think I'm qualified to be the community censor.''

Why does he say this after he pulled the film?  And saying that he sold cars "because" is offensive.  This is all about bigotry and the promotion of discrimination by saying that others had gone out of their way to agree and support his homophobic views (i.e. buying cars).  But then to make a statement that it was a business decision???  Well I guess he can add spineless to his list of attributes: "you lack the courage of your convictions sir".  If you want to take a stand against freedom of speech because you don't like what's being said, don't insult us with lies that it's a business decisions.

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"Miller says he now thinks 'Brokeback' ban was wrong"
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2007, 04:46:26 pm »
Larry Miller, owner of the Utah Jazz, has now decided he was wrong to ban the movie from his theaters:

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5182227?source=rss
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Re: "Miller says he now thinks 'Brokeback' ban was wrong"
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2007, 05:19:02 pm »
Thank you for posting this.


There was a heated discussion over this on a movie theatre insider website I post on.  Going to post this over there right now.  ;D

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Re: "Miller says he now thinks 'Brokeback' ban was wrong"
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2007, 04:24:56 pm »

Maybe as an apology, Mr. Miller will have a special screening of BBM sometime, flooded with Brokies from all over.

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Re: "Miller says he now thinks 'Brokeback' ban was wrong"
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2007, 05:32:46 am »
Larry Miller, owner of the Utah Jazz, has now decided he was wrong to ban the movie from his theaters:  http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5182227?source=rss

Here's the text of the article - Thanks for posting this, Truman!

Miller says he now thinks 'Brokeback' ban was wrong
By Lya Wodraska
The Salt Lake Tribune


Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated:02/08/2007 01:05:49 AM MST
 
Jazz owner Larry H. Miller has changed his views of the gay and lesbian community enough to acknowledge he was wrong to ban the movie "Brokeback Mountain" from his theaters.
 
 Have his feelings evolved enough to accept an openly gay player on his basketball team? He doesn't know.

Wednesday, when word spread that former Jazz player John Amaechi is releasing a book in which he reveals he is gay, Miller said he probably would allow "Brokeback Mountain" to be shown if the movie was released now, calling his ban a bad decision.

"Not because I got beaten up over it, but because it was a knee-jerk reaction," he said. "You have to choose your spots to draw your lines and I didn't choose a very good one."

Miller's ban of the blockbuster movie made national news and made him the center of a national debate. He said he has developed a more open view after meeting with members of the gay and lesbian community at the University of Utah in April.

"It was good for me in a couple of ways," he said. "I learned a lot about them with some open and honest dialogue. It didn't change my way of thinking or theirs, but we all realized after talking with each other we have a better understanding of each other.

"I'm still outspoken on issues, but I know I have to look at people's feelings and lives. I'd like to say I'm more understanding now. To say I'm tolerant would be less accurate, but I am more understanding."

Miller's softened views were welcomed by some in the gay community.

"Unless you didn't have a heart, I don't know how you can go through that experience and not have a change of heart," said Valerie Larabee, executive director of the Utah Pride Center. "We all know Larry Miller has a huge heart. Just look at what he has done for this state and his philanthropy. He is showing some growth."

Kim Hall, acting director of the University of Utah's Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Resource Center, said she hopes Miller's new open-mindedness will make him a "bellwether for LDS culture."

Miller, Hall said, "was willing to participate in the educational conversation, and you have to respect him for that."

The meeting changed minds on the other side of the issue, too. Bonnie Owens, co-president of the University of Utah Lesbian and Gay Student Union, was one of several gay students who met with Miller in April to discuss his views. She says everyone expected a tense conversation, but Miller defused it by listening attentively to students' stories about feeling ostracized because of their sexuality.

"He was so much more receptive than we thought he'd be," Owens said. "He really did want to find out why people were upset about that."

Owens hopes other prominent Utah leaders will follow Miller's example: "If he can come out and say, 'I was wrong to discriminate against a group of people,' then who knows who's next? Maybe Orrin Hatch?"

Miller admitted he was unsure how he'd handle the situation if a current Jazz player came out as gay.

"I have to think from the standpoint that everyone has the same rights as anybody else has, I believe that," he said. "Here, in this market, we do have a responsibility to uphold certain standards, although I know these guys aren't angels. I'd have to consider it and think about it some more. I don't know if I can answer that right now."

* Tribune reporter CHRISTY KARRAS contributed to this story
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Re: Cowboy Controversy (Rolling Stone) - Larry Miller, Utah
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2007, 05:42:39 am »
"It was good for me in a couple of ways," he said. "I learned a lot about them with some open and honest dialogue. It didn't change my way of thinking or theirs, but we all realized after talking with each other we have a better understanding of each other.

"I'm still outspoken on issues, but I know I have to look at people's feelings and lives. I'd like to say I'm more understanding now. To say I'm tolerant would be less accurate, but I am more understanding."
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Miller admitted he was unsure how he'd handle the situation if a current Jazz player came out as gay.

"I have to think from the standpoint that everyone has the same rights as anybody else has, I believe that," he said.[/color] ...

IMO, the purple text contradicts the statement in red.  I hope he is opening his heart and mind and this is not just 'damage control' spin.

Maybe as an apology, Mr. Miller will have a special screening of BBM sometime, flooded with Brokies from all over.

Shall we write him an open letter suggesting it, Adrian?
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