Author Topic: TOTW 09/07: Did it seem like Jack was responsive to Randall's flirtatiousness?  (Read 20794 times)

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Re: TOTW 09/07: Did it seem like Jack was responsive to Randall's flirtatiousnes
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2007, 11:16:30 pm »
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Heya,

This is slightly off-topic... but it does pertain to the image used on the banner for this TOTW...  Notice that there's a guy wearing a white hat directly behind Jack here!    I just happened to notice this while looking at the main BetterMost page.  Another instance of the yin and yang and the ever-present reminder of white hats in Jack's world contrasted with the black hats that surround Ennis in his daily life.
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:laugh: I don't suppose she can get a word in edgeways!  Besides, she really doesn't seem to like LaShawn very much, judging by the snide remark about the sororities.  So she's hardly likely to open up about Jack's lack of interest in her .. if anything, she'd be boasting about how fantastic he is in bed!

Susie  :) 

My experience is that women often retire to the restroom together as a pretext to talk in a place where the men can't go. If they had nothing to talk about, they wouldn't have gone together - particularly since they had only just met for the first time that evening and Lureen in particular doesn't seem to be enjoying anyone's company. 

I know that this may only be a plot device to leave the men alone so they can have their discussion, but I am always left wondering in this scene what was they reason Lureen and Lashawn had to go someplace private to talk?
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I know that this may only be a plot device to leave the men alone so they can have their discussion, but I am always left wondering in this scene what was they reason Lureen and Lashawn had to go someplace private to talk?

I bet it wasn't Lureen who followed LaShawn, but vice versa. As you and Susie have already stated, Lureen wasn't very enthusiastic about Lashawn. In contrast, she was short of being rude with her snide remark.
And although LaShawn noticed it, she decided not only to ignore it, but countered it with even more good-will to keep the conversation flowing.

LaShawn was new in town, she probably didn't have any friends yet, she had a husband who tried to ignore her as much as he could. She was almost desperate in her attempt to get attention, and if it was only from almost strangers and even from a woman who wasn't very friendly to her. Besides, Jack and Lureen belonged to the social class she also wanted to belong to/to fit in. No wonder she tried to get in contact to Lureen. That's why she followed her to the restroom.

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Re: TOTW 09/07: Did it seem like Jack was responsive to Randall's flirtatiousnes
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2007, 10:38:31 am »
My experience is that women often retire to the restroom together as a pretext to talk in a place where the men can't go. If they had nothing to talk about, they wouldn't have gone together - particularly since they had only just met for the first time that evening and Lureen in particular doesn't seem to be enjoying anyone's company. 

I know that this may only be a plot device to leave the men alone so they can have their discussion, but I am always left wondering in this scene what was they reason Lureen and Lashawn had to go someplace private to talk?

Women tend to go to the restroom together just because they're sociable. Sometimes they have something specific to discuss or gossip about, but many times a woman headed to the restroom will just routinely ask the other woman if she wants to join her, with no conversational agenda. In this case, particularly, as the two couples were leaving, it would be natural for the women to stop in the restroom together on the way out.

IMO, it's probably reading too much into the scene to think that Lureen and LaShawn were discussing anything private or significant. For one thing, as they emerge it sounds like LaShawn is just babbling on as usual. For another, what would they have to talk about that would BE significant? Their unhappy marriages? Their husbands' gayness? the subtle flirtations going on at the table? No way -- they don't know each other well enough, and they're both in denial anyway. And anything other than that -- Lureen's concerns that the sagging agricultural economy might hurt the farm implement business, LaShawn's confession that she finds Roy Taylor hot -- wouldn't be significant in terms of the story.

Mainly, their absence gives Jack and Randall the opportunity to talk about something that IS significant.


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Re: TOTW 09/07: Did it seem like Jack was responsive to Randall's flirtatiousnes
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2007, 01:27:43 pm »
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It's nice when someone is attracted to you, makes you feel special, desirable.  It really boosts your confidence, something that Jack's had knocked out of him constantly by his dad, his wife, his father in law, and above all, his lover.

That's so true. And when Jack and Lureen met, her attention must have been such a balm to him, emotionally.

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It's one thing to flirt innocently across the table, it quite another to be openly propositioned.

Yes, and you see that with Jack and Lureen too.  He's thoroughly enjoying her attention on the dance floor and in the car.  The looks, the dancing, the kissing, the holding.  He says, "fast or slow, I like the direction you're goin" with a nice relaxed smile.  Then when she takes off her top and makes it clear she wants to really get heavy, he looks scared.  The same exact thing happens with Randall's proposition on the bench (as opposed to the looks across the table).

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Re: TOTW 09/07: Did it seem like Jack was responsive to Randall's flirtatiousnes
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2007, 01:37:24 pm »
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Another instance of the yin and yang and the ever-present reminder of white hats in Jack's world contrasted with the black hats that surround Ennis in his daily life.

Yes, they have that going on a lot throughout the film. Most notably (and poignantly) in the Bus Station scene.  Behind the tearful Cassie, a pair of men — one in a beige hat, one in a black hat — stand at the Greyhound counter.  (Going off somewhere together? While Ennis is "nothin, nowhere"?)

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Re: TOTW 09/07: Did it seem like Jack was responsive to Randall's flirtatiousnes
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2007, 01:53:05 pm »
Nice observation Amanda .... just when you think you know it all, someone points something new out!

Susie  :)

ps.  I just wanted to say that I always really enjoy reading your posts .. it's a pity we've never had the chance to have a good natter!

Thanks Susie!  :-*

A good "natter"?


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Re: TOTW 09/07: Did it seem like Jack was responsive to Randall's flirtatiousnes
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2007, 02:03:46 pm »
A good "natter"?

I believe that's English for "chat". :)

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Re: TOTW 09/07: Did it seem like Jack was responsive to Randall's flirtatiousnes
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2007, 02:07:25 pm »
I believe that's English for "chat". :)

Ah!  Thanks!  :-*

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Re:  Jack on the bench.

I find it very "Ang" that Jack just stares, unmoving, to Randall's proposition.  (And, wearing too much makeup, I might add.) 

We're left to wonder what Jack might be "nattering" on about in his mind.  Is he thinking about Ennis?  Considering the proposition?  Mortified?  Nauseated from dancing with Lashawn?

I love how Ang never spoon-feeds us.  It's up to us to figure it out. 

Great question, Amanda.