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Re: Cellar Scribblings
« Reply #15250 on: December 08, 2017, 10:30:34 am »
France had great cultural influence; I guess it still has influence in fashion but maybe not as much as it used to.

I'm not particularly knowledgeable about haute couture but from what I do know I don't think French designers necessarily rule over those from the United States or Italy or who knows where else these days. In Gone With the Wind, Rhett gives Scarlett a green hat to break her out of mourning clothes and in the movie she puts it on backwards until he corrects her -- I think the hat reflects what the ladies in France were wearing lately. Elsewhere in that book, and in other 19th-century/early 20th-century things, I'm sure I've heard of American women clamoring to know what French women were wearing so they could update their own (handsewn) wardrobes. In turn-of-the-20th-century books by people like Edith Wharton, Europeans are seen as sophisticated and tasteful, while Americans are still crude and uncultured, even in Wharton's rarefied Fifth Avenue circles.

(That may arguably still be the case!  :laugh:  But few Americans think that way these days.)

Nowadays Americans seem to think of French women as having a great, sort of inherent sense of style, but they don't necessarily try to copy it.




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Re: Cellar Scribblings
« Reply #15251 on: December 08, 2017, 11:29:17 am »
In Gone With the Wind, Rhett gives Scarlett a green hat to break her out of mourning clothes and in the movie she puts it on backwards until he corrects her -- I think the hat reflects what the ladies in France were wearing lately.

And don't forget: None of them were wearing pantalets anymore.  ;D
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Re: Cellar Scribblings
« Reply #15252 on: December 08, 2017, 03:38:25 pm »
And don't forget: None of them were wearing pantalets anymore.  ;D

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Re: Cellar Scribblings
« Reply #15253 on: December 08, 2017, 05:03:21 pm »
Well, I think it has a lot to do with the United States being for at least a century or so a very wealthy country -- which it still is, though more and more of the wealth is concentrated among the richest people -- and because it has at least since WWII been one of the two to three most militarily powerful countries in the world, thanks to helping win the war and being the first to develop atom bombs, and because it has the size and money to produce cultural products like movies and TV shows that spread around the world (and often are tailored to do just that -- hence all those superhero and other action movies), and because things like fast cheap burgers sold by a giant chain happened to originate here, and because my impression is that more Europeans speak English than any other single language. For example, I have seen, say, German and Spanish people communicate via English.

I'm not saying any of those U.S. things are good (or even necessarily bad), just that they're among the main reasons.

I'm no historian -- so Jeff or anyone else, feel free to correct me -- but I think that in the 19th century, England and France had more influence than the United States, and that in fact people here looked to Europe for cultural leadership. Fancy worldly people spoke French. Women wanted to know the latest French fashion trends. I'm guessing that probably shifted with the wars and also because the previously unexploited natural resources in the U.S. -- land, timber, coal, iron, gold, oil, grains, etc. -- provided new wealth.

Meanwhile, I thought of our conversation about retail influence earlier today. So there's this giant department-store chain here, Macy's. One year I got a job at Macy's around Christmas time, thinking I could use my employee discount to buy my family gifts. And that worked, for a year or two, so I saved some money. Then it got to the point where, although I still worked at Macy's over the holidays, my sons announced that Macy's did not sell anything that they would want.   :'(   :laugh:

There's a sale going on there now, but sadly I don't think the status of their merchandise has improved in my sons' esteem.


Your theory sounds like it has something to it. I'm sure it's part of the explanation.

Like I said before, here in Sweden the overwhelming American influence started at the end of the second world war. Before that, the main popular and cultural influence came from - in various periods - Germany, England, France, Italy and others.


In my experience, the general rule is that teens and young adults DO NOT want anything that's sold in a store their parents like!  :laugh:

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Re: Cellar Scribblings
« Reply #15254 on: December 08, 2017, 05:09:52 pm »
English has become a sort of universal language. While French used to be the language that all educated people knew and spoke (the Russian aristocracy spoke French, and French was the language of diplomacy), French has pretty much been replaced by English. I heard years ago that all air-traffic control, everywhere, is conducted in English.

Well, in the 19th century the British Empire was the largest and most powerful in the world. France had great cultural influence; I guess it still has influence in fashion but maybe not as much as it used to.

Not only the Russian aristocracy, also the Sweish aristocracy spoke French in the 1700-hundreds. We even picked up a king from France!  ;D

 Jean Baptiste Bernadotte became king of Sweden and Norway 1818, by the name Karl XIV Johan.

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Re: Cellar Scribblings
« Reply #15255 on: December 10, 2017, 09:09:32 pm »
*reads*

Interesting discussions here!   :)  Please feel free to keep posting! 


I'm tired!!!   I've been running around since I left work  Friday.  LOL

I did shopping on Friday, and didn't get home until 8:00 or so.

I stayed home all day Saturday, refusing to go out in the snow.  However, I was busy doing Christmas stuff, and cleaning the apartment, a full cleaning, dusting, scrubbing the bathroom,  the whole deal.

On Sunday, I did laundry, and went to my parents' for a "Trim the Tree" party with about 20 of my family. 

I need a weekend to recover from my weekend!   :laugh:


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

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Re: Cellar Scribblings
« Reply #15256 on: December 11, 2017, 11:05:29 am »
went to my parents' for a "Trim the Tree" party with about 20 of my family. 

That sounds really fun!  :D



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Re: Cellar Scribblings
« Reply #15257 on: December 11, 2017, 08:19:52 pm »
It was!

We hung the ornaments, and spent time chatting and catching up with each other.


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

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Re: Cellar Scribblings
« Reply #15258 on: December 11, 2017, 11:15:21 pm »
We hung the ornaments, and spent time chatting and catching up with each other.

How nice! You're so lucky to have a nice big family living nearby.



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Re: Cellar Scribblings
« Reply #15259 on: December 12, 2017, 08:04:20 pm »
Yes, I am!

Thursday at work we are having an "Ugly Christmas Sweater" day.

I have mine ready to go.





Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!