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Re: Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
« Reply #100 on: April 11, 2008, 08:34:39 pm »
I don't know why I keep coming to this thread and feeling compelled to answer the same question over and over again.

Well I'm not sure what my excuse is, apart from the "keeps popping up on the new posts list" one - I'm not doing tax returns at the moment (though it has just occurred to me that I've usually had some sort of communication from them by now about tax credits, which is almost as bad  :-\), though I can imagine your IRS is very much like our 'Inland Revenue' and tax returns are very nearly top of my list of things to hate doing, probably topped only by going to the dentist. Yeah, I'll vote for the "abolish our homegrown American Gestapo" campaign if you'll vote for my new political party "BAIR-Y" - that's "Brokies Against Inland Revenue - Yee-haw!"  ;D

....I am though stuck in a kind of love-hate relationship with an assignment for a course I'm doing - "serious me" knows if I don't get stuck into it now and get on with the damned thing I'll be racing around like a headless chicken at the last minute and working into the early hours of the morning the day it's due in to get it finished, but "silly me" says, "What the hell! It usually works better at the last minute anyhow..."...and of course being at Bettermost is much more fun than answering questions on the design of computer applications... :)


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Re: Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
« Reply #101 on: April 11, 2008, 08:57:26 pm »
I should hope not! Five years of continuous sex and the poor boy would be worn out!  :P Might explain why he kept sending Jack away though - he was just plain exhausted!  :laugh: (sorry, I've got my 'silly head' on)


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Re: Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
« Reply #102 on: April 11, 2008, 09:29:13 pm »
Funny! about sex, that much!
..........
Serious note:

Ennis did yelled at Jack, when Jack turned around and saw Ennis in that shed.
Ennis was sick, and told Jack: What are you looking at?
......

Wasn't that it?

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Re: Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
« Reply #103 on: April 11, 2008, 09:58:02 pm »

Hi Artiste,

Is this the scene you mean?

<img src="http://www.divshare.com/img/4230159-b81.jpg" border="0" />

This man with the black hat is a passerby, not Jack.  Jack has already driven away.

This is the first (and most direct) instance of Ennis being "haunted" by a man with a black hat in the background of a scene... that happens to him throughout the film.  We see lots of men with black hats in the background of scenes where Ennis is missing Jack... and in this case he's missing Jack so much that he's making himself sick. 

Also, with Jack you'll notice he's often surrounded by men (often in the background of scenes, etc.) who are wearing white or pale-colored hats.

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Re: Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
« Reply #104 on: April 11, 2008, 10:03:56 pm »

Oooo, this give me a chance to post one of my favorite "black-hat-in-the-background" moments... because it pertains to Ennis meeting Cassie.  You'll see that in the background there's often a man with a black hat positioned directly in between Ennis and Cassie.  This is almost a visual clue to the viewer that Jack will always be the obstacle in the middle of the relationship between Ennis and Cassie... there from the very beginning.

<img src="http://www.divshare.com/img/midsize/4180969-162.jpg" border="0" />

<img src="http://www.divshare.com/img/midsize/4180970-9bc.jpg" border="0" />

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Re: Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
« Reply #105 on: April 11, 2008, 10:13:51 pm »
Thanks atz!

You say:
  This man with the black hat is a passerby, not Jack.  Jack has already driven away.

.........

Really?

Your pulling my leg?


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Re: Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
« Reply #106 on: April 12, 2008, 01:15:29 am »
Thanks atz!

You say:
  This man with the black hat is a passerby, not Jack.  Jack has already driven away.

.........

Really?

Your pulling my leg?

No, Artiste, she is not. The guy who peers into the alley while Ennis is retching is an anonymous passerby -- not Jack.


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Re: Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2008, 11:39:37 am »
One important thing to recognize here... is that Ennis is crying and making himself sick because he already misses Jack so much.  Artiste, this is Ennis's strong reaction to being separated from Jack at this initial stage right after Jack leaves the scene.  In a way it's very romantic to witness the level of Ennis's strong emotions about Jack here.  We know from Proulx's story and from story-Ennis's own comments that the reason he got sick here was regret and missing Jack or not wanting to be separated from Jack.

If Jack had come upon this scene of Ennis crying and getting sick... well, I think the story would have taken a much, much different turn. It's sort of interesting to imagine how things might have been different (it might be a good starting point for a fanfic story). 

But, in the context of the movie, Jack never knows about this strong, physical reaction that Ennis has regarding Jack's departure.


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Re: Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2008, 11:47:14 am »
Wpw Atz:

  One important thing to recognize here... is that Ennis is crying and making himself sick because he already misses Jack so much.  Artiste, this is Ennis's strong reaction to being separated from Jack at this initial stage right after Jack leaves the scene.  In a way it's very romantic to witness the level of Ennis's strong emotions about Jack here.  We know from Proulx's story and from story-Ennis's own comments that the reason he got sick here was regret and missing Jack or not wanting to be separated from Jack.
 

.............

Wow... wow!!

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Re: Was Cassie in the Brokeback Mountain movie homophobic?
« Reply #109 on: April 12, 2008, 11:50:08 am »
Merci atz!

You say:
One important thing to recognize here... is that Ennis is crying and making himself sick because he already misses Jack so much.
 


.........

Atz, may I totally agree with you there!

So, why do you think that I accentuate this with Cassie?

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