If Heath get a posthumous Oscar, would that redeem the Academy?

[optom3]

Remind me not to piss you off!! 

I agree with everything you said.
It's so sad they see people as commodities to be bought and sold used and thrown away.

Heath once spoke of feeling like a commodity, eg a bottle of coke, being branded etc for mass consumption,despite the fact it was disgusting.It was the main reason he deliberately moved away from the Hollywood pretty boy roles and started after AKT to look for considerably more demanding and less obvious roles.
He could have taken the easy route with his looks, but chose diversification instead. I really hope at that level he does not get nominated for an Oscar. It would be the final insult and betrayal, for him to be treated as a commodity, after his demise, when it was his desire to escape as far as possible from that, which led to his greates role as Ennis.Which the Academy were to cowardly to recognise.
Personally, I hope they all choke on their collective bile !!
Bitter me? No whatever gave you that idea?

[Brokeback_Dev]

No. Too late.
Heath should have gotten it for Ennis and BBM should have gotten the Best Picture award period.

Thats a fact Chrissy!  Heath showed tremendous star quality as did Michele and Jake..   Movie stars and movie to transcend time.  Yes BBM should have won Best Picture.  I understand the homophobes of the academy would not even watch it before voting.   

The academy awards dont mean squat to me.  I just like watching whose wearing what, the gowns, the men and women who escort each other to such an event.  Even thats lost its appeal to me ever since they snubbed BBM. 

"...While I agree that winning for the Joker would not be a lesser honor, on the other hand, to be perfectly honest, my suspicious mind would--or will--never be able to escape the, well, suspicion that the very fact that Heath is dead influenced some voters, so the win would--or will--for me be, in some sense, tainted a bit.

Having just got back from seeing TDK tonight and loving it,  I was curious what my fellow Brokies thought of Heath's performance as the Joker.  I popped into this thread and read it all.  Heath was Execellent.  Certainly worthy of an Oscar.  If anything we can be sure of the Academy and any reasonable person can realize the awesome power of creativity that is Heath Ledger.  If Heath gets nominated I will be watching. You bet

[Gabreya]

I've seen TDK once and...before I go on to say, my mother was the one to convince me to go see it for Heath's sake. She said that he would WANT me to see it. And I did and I really enjoyed it. He did a great job as the Joker. But, Oscar-worthy for it? Hell no. That's just ridiculous. It's ridiculous from the start that they would want to give Heath an Oscar for that role when he should've won for Ennis Del Mar from BBM. I mean, he's a very talented actor BUT an Oscar nomination for the Joker? You got to be kidding me. There are like a couple of things wrong with this kind of situation.
First off, Heath's portrayal as the introverted cowboy Ennis Del Mar was that once in a lifetime role that moved so many's people's souls. He proved that he was an excellent actor. He had talent. He made us cry in that role and see what humanity really is on the flip side. It's not fair that he didn't get the Oscar for his role of a lifetime when he was alive and then, 'supposedly' that he's going to be nominated for the role that practically HURT his mind. I'm sorry, it makes me upset everytime I think about it. The Academy are too damn relentless and unpredictable when it comes to movies that talk about love in difficult times. They were OBVIOUSLY trying to avoid the truth:"Brokeback Mountain" was easily the best movie of 2005 and that it deserved every single award that it was nominated for. But, unfortunately, that really didn't happen. They only won three. THREE! And neither was from any of the acting categories. Of course, this movie wasn't the only one to be overlooked. There were lots of others. And some of them dealt with racism, homophobia, differences, and nature. Boy, talk about homophobia and prejiduce Academy.

Then, the Academy Awards HARDLY nominate anything dealing with COMIC BOOK/SUPERHERO MOVIES. I mean, there were a few of them in the past like "Superman", "Spider-Man", and even "Batman Begins". And usually, those movies get nominated in the Visual Effects, Art Direction, and/or Cinematagrophy catagories. And there are like a handful of superhero movies in the past that should've been nominated in not just those kinds of categories but also the acting ones. Actors like a Patrick Stewart, Ian Mckellen, Tobey Maguire, Gerard Butler, and a couple of others have all should've been nominated for their work in those movies because they were great. They were OVERLOOKED. You know what else? The movie industry right now has this ongoing trend where comic book/supehero movies have been on the range and that nearly everyone is taking part in them like Oscar winners and nominees, A-Listers, B-Listers, and newcommers who're presummed huge fans of the comics they're portraying. I heard that those kinds of movies are like the second biggest selling movies in Hollywood.(I should know because superhero movies are practically one my most favorite kinds of movies.)And it's been that way for like 20 to 30 years. And the movie business is doing good because part of the great acheivement from them. But, the Academy Awards just NOT recognizing them and rewarding them for what they are, their(Oscars) reputation is only getting worse in some ways. Otherwise, how come this year sucked real bad? Tehy didn't nominate any movies that seemed really fun. I heard one news guy said they should've nominated movies like "300" and "Sin City" to bring in the appeal. They seemed to always misplace them all because they think it's for 'mindless comicbook geeks'. Well, that's their problem. Now, with TDK, there could be a 50/50 chance that they would get nominated but for Heath in the Best Supporting Actor which I heard someone say? That's bullshit. He's a better actor than that! If he would've been alive, we and everyone else wouldn't even be having this conversation. They probably wouldn't have said that he deserves an Oscar. Never. The real reason is that that they did all because of his death and that it's out guilt. By the way, the Joker was waaaayyyyyyy too overhyped and overrated due to the crazed fanboys and mostly fans of the movie. Don't get me wrong. He was wonderful but way to WOOOEDDDDD by audiences.

They won't redeem themselves for doing something that they should've done a long time ago. The Oscars ought to be ashamed of themselves. They messed up countless times but with BBM and now supposedly this, the Academy Awards are practically a BIG JOKE! And it's catching up to them. I think that's the obvious view in the Joker's eyes. But, on the serious note, the idea of "The Dark Knight" or Heath being nominated may be a little silm. There are lots of other films that are coming out this year and next year that may be qualified to be up for nominations. But, if he's nominated? Cool. But, it seems unlikely. Plus, they are a number of people that HATE the Academy Awards anyway. I mean, how many times have you heard someone say,"F@#$ the Oscars!"?

[Fran]

If Heath gets nominated I will be watching. You bet

And so will I.

[Brown Eyes]

I loved Heath's portrayal of the Joker (as I've said many times here and there on BetterMost) and I really like the movie... I think it's interesting and discussion-worthy on many levels.

But as far as the Academy redeeming itself for its own sake with a possible nomination for the Joker...  My feeling about that is that it would be a much, much safer film/ role for the Academy to nominate than Ennis was. 

Nominating and awarding BBM was much more of a bold move and position of advocacy for a film dealing with still socially controversial topics and a film that as a work of art is probably quite difficult for many folks out there.  If the Academy had rewarded BBM more fully, that would have been a true statement of advocacy for everything we realize that BBM is about, and it would have been a risky and courageous thing to do.

Rewarding a tremendously popular/lucrative movie... and a historically popular character, the Joker (and the Joker's long legacy in pop culture) would not be the same kind of radical and historically interesting gesture as rewarding Heath for the Ennis role would have been.  And, as some have suggested here... it would be tremendously sad if the Academy ends up "using" Heath's passing as a way to garner sympathy for itself.

That all said, again, I really loved Heath's performance as the Joker. 

Whether or not he wins a posthumous Oscar for this wonderful role, it does not redeem the Academy for it's tremendous goof regarding BBM.

And, there's just something so incredibly sad about the notion of a posthumous Oscar to me. When Heath is no longer here to enjoy it.

[Kerry]

No. Too late.
Heath should have gotten it for Ennis and BBM should have gotten the Best Picture award period.

Me too. Too late.   

[Gabreya]

It's been too late for a long time for them anyway.
Let's face it. The Academy Awards are a BIG JOKE today. Nobody REALLY doesn't take it seriously all that much anymore.

[Ellemeno]

Remind me not to piss you off!! 

You can say that twice and mean it, Rich!  Our Barb's a lively litle gal. 

[ednbarby]

Heath once spoke of feeling like a commodity, eg a bottle of coke, being branded etc for mass consumption,despite the fact it was disgusting.It was the main reason he deliberately moved away from the Hollywood pretty boy roles and started after AKT to look for considerably more demanding and less obvious roles.
He could have taken the easy route with his looks, but chose diversification instead. I really hope at that level he does not get nominated for an Oscar. It would be the final insult and betrayal, for him to be treated as a commodity, after his demise, when it was his desire to escape as far as possible from that, which led to his greates role as Ennis.Which the Academy were to cowardly to recognise.
Personally, I hope they all choke on their collective bile !!
Bitter me? No whatever gave you that idea?

Totally agree with all you've said.

I was just reading an article in which Michael Caine was quoted as saying that if Heath were still alive, this performance would have sent him into the stratosphere.  And I actually said out loud, "He would have hated that."

It still really hurts whenever I catch myself thinking of him in the past tense.  Damn reality.

[Gabreya]

I know. Reality and death is a BITCH. Heath truelly were one of the good ones. And he will be NEVER forgotten. Never.

Oh, guess what. Today, I went back to see the TDK for the second time. My own mother said that he deserves an Oscar, too! SHOCKING. Not really. But, yes. Heath delivers as usual. And this time, I actually paid close attention to the Joker's perspective. He actually did prove a point.