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« on: December 19, 2008, 08:32:48 am »

FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY....

A thread  for all Bettermostians who act irrationaly during The Joyous Season!

Did you ever show up at Saks Fifth Avenue at 8:30 AM on December 26 and head for the 8th floor as soon as the door opens?

Have you ever bought an ornament in July? Have you spent weeks scouring ebay for  Baccarat's 2001 Reindeer Ornament --and FOUND THEM--at a dirt cheap price ?    Skipped work to descend upon Lord & Taylor's Christmas Department?    Made minute comparisons between  handblown icicles by artists in Maine and Normandy, become so enthralled you bought them all? 

Have you spent hours tying ribbons to each and every ornament?  Have you coordinated the width and texture of that ribbon to your ornament? Debated the merits of baroque vs. medieval angels?

Do you have so many Christmas ornaments you need half a dozen trees?

Do you secretly acknowledge you've lost it, as you tie that ornamental  frosted ball you've had since Willi Brandt  was Chancellor of West Germany to your tree?Huh?



THIS THREAD IS FOR you MY FRIEND, YES, you, THE CRAZY BROKIE WITH THE HOLLY WREATH![/i]


We can trade information,  show photographs, tell each other where to find this or that long sought  ornament...we can have a lot of fun! Pass the eggnog and glog, buds....where'd you find that angel??
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2008, 09:02:12 am »

Think I'll start out with a post about this place I found. Their glass is WAAAAY cool, absolutely outstanding in every way.Here is the website:

http://www.prochaskagalleries.com/

This is a great place for handblown glass. We've bought from this studio, which was chosen to create ornaments symbolising 'California and Christmas' fot the White House Tree when Reagan was President. I may not have cared for Reagan but his glass-blower was  OUTSTANDING!!!!The glass is made in the traditional way but the formula used  produces a lighter glass. There is absolutely NO difference in the feel, the look, etc.; it is just doesn't WEIGH as much as traditional glass. I think their creations are world class, while their their prices are very reasonable.

I ran across them on ebay when doing a search. They have a shop, and also a non-ebay website.

These are also pretty decent people:
I won two ebay auctions they had-- for their candy canes and an angel... while losing one for icicles. They sent the icicles by mistake instead of the candycanes, caught their mistake, sent me an email stating what had happened and sent the canes the next day.   They told me to enjoy the icicles; I felt awkward and   [via paypal] sent them the icicle's starting bid plus a few dollars more. I'd looked, and since the winning price was  usually close to the posted start, it seeme fair.

THEY SENT THE MONEY BACK, along with a lovely note thanking me but saying it wasn't necessary--they had made a mistake and there was no need....


That's pretty good policy; I'll happily buy from them again. The angel I bought was exquisite, the icicles were PERFECT and the candy canes  have been universally called adorable lol.


They are so nice my SON whistled when he saw them!  To impress a 22 year old lad says a lot....

This is the company's ebay store:

http://stores.ebay.com/Proglassartyst-Hand-Blown-Glass_Christmas-Tree-Ornament_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ4QQftidZ2QQtZkm
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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 09:48:11 am »

Hey Jack.  I share the sickness!  Thanks for starting this thread.

My name is Paul and I'm an ornament-aholic.

My tree is all silver, gold and crystal.  Period.  No colors.  It's taken me years to collect all this stuff, of course.

I'm partial to Swarovski, Baccarat and Lalique, when I got the entry fee in my pocket.  Also, lots of various handmade, blown clear glass ones.  Plus, I have lots of icicles of different sizes and styles. 

Many years I've used different chandelier prisms:  they're way cool, but a bit heavy.  A Swarovski tree-topper seals the deal. 

I used to find great bargains at our old Filene's Basement, but, alas, it's closed. 

After twenty years of real trees, my downsizing to a shipshape city apartment required buying a tall and skinny artificial Frasier fir this year (on sale, grandinroad catalog).  All white lights.  Nice tree, very sturdy.

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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 10:50:01 am »

After twenty years of real trees, my downsizing to a shipshape city apartment required buying a tall and skinny artificial Frasier fir this year (on sale, grandinroad catalog).  All white lights.  Nice tree, very sturdy.

What? A catalog I've never heard of?  Shocked
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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2008, 10:57:04 am »

hey Paul that sounds cool. How do you manage to restrict yourself to gold and silver??? That requires DISCIPLINE lol. Our tree is a mix, old and new, hers and mine---and unfortunately mostly mine now; we had work done on the house and someone stole Katrina's ornaments. All she has left are things which were saved in 2 'santa 'boxes i had, and a gold filigree set/collection she bought from Franklin Mint. But all the things made by her grandmother and great grandmother were ripped off.

I like how you described your tree. It must be awesome. A gold/silver combo would be dazzling and all the crystal would just enhance it. I like Baccarat, for some reason it glitters more when light goes through it. And the French, in general, make these amazing pieces! You ever see Bernardaud's Christmas ornaments? They don't make them any more, which is surprising cause they were popular. All white porcelain, sometimes with painted scenes. I buy them wherever I find them, unless they get too pricey! Doesn't even matter if we have it already, THOSE I just buy lol.

I had no idea Filene's even sold ornaments. You must have gotten  a lot there before they stopped.AQ fake tree takes getting used to but I actually prefer it. No haste is needed in taking it down, and in Denver they're kept up through January. You will get to prefer it.

By the way, Your Swarovski sounds cool. I only got into them  2 years ago.

How'd you get into this addiction anyway Paul?

It stays with a person  Roll Eyes laugh
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2008, 12:53:40 pm »

What? A catalog I've never heard of?  Shocked

"Affordable style for your home":  www.grandinroad.com
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2008, 01:13:20 pm »

hey Paul that sounds cool. How do you manage to restrict yourself to gold and silver??? That requires DISCIPLINE lol. Our tree is a mix, old and new, hers and mine---and unfortunately mostly mine now; we had work done on the house and someone stole Katrina's ornaments. All she has left are things which were saved in 2 'santa 'boxes i had, and a gold filigree set/collection she bought from Franklin Mint. But all the things made by her grandmother and great grandmother were ripped off.

I like how you described your tree. It must be awesome. A gold/silver combo would be dazzling and all the crystal would just enhance it. I like Baccarat, for some reason it glitters more when light goes through it. And the French, in general, make these amazing pieces! You ever see Bernardaud's Christmas ornaments? They don't make them any more, which is surprising cause they were popular. All white porcelain, sometimes with painted scenes. I buy them wherever I find them, unless they get too pricey! Doesn't even matter if we have it already, THOSE I just buy lol.

I had no idea Filene's even sold ornaments. You must have gotten  a lot there before they stopped.AQ fake tree takes getting used to but I actually prefer it. No haste is needed in taking it down, and in Denver they're kept up through January. You will get to prefer it.

By the way, Your Swarovski sounds cool. I only got into them  2 years ago.

How'd you get into this addiction anyway Paul?

It stays with a person  Roll Eyes laugh

It sure does require discipline! 

It all started when I first moved into the city more than twenty years ago.  I moved into the south end of Boston (hence my screen name), one of the largest Victorian neighborhoods in the country; blocks and blocks of 19th century brownstones.  I spied a huge tree in a bay window in my neighborhood:  it was silver, gold, crystal and white.  That was the inspiration.

Of course, I had had colored ornaments, many antique cobalt ones, little musical instruments and such.  It took several years of collecting to have enough of the new theme to decorate a tree. 

I add to it every year.  There is a store in Boston called Shreve, Crump and Low that used to sell marvelous sterling ornaments, and I'd treat myself to one each year.  Around 2000, I started getting the annual Swarovski star ornament, plus some of their little ones.  FYI, there is a Baccarat outlet store in Vermont--very dangerous. 

I go to the good handcraft stores to look for clear glass ornaments--some of these I like better than the fancy brand name ones. 

Antique chandelier prisms can be had for $1 apiece (and up, way up), and add a lot of sparkle.

I love Bernardaud, but have never seen their ornaments.  Oh, I was horrified to hear your story about the ornament thief.  What bastard would steal such personal family things? 

Good thought that a fake tree can stay up longer.  No more dried out stiff tree to stuff out the door! 
 
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2008, 01:21:38 pm »

"Affordable style for your home":  www.grandinroad.com

Thanks, Paul!  Cheesy

Of course, I really need another web site to shop from. ...  laugh
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2008, 01:27:04 pm »

Good thought that a fake a man-made tree can stay up longer.  No more dried out stiff tree to stuff out the door! 

Of course, a man-made tree has to be stored somewhere until next Christmas--unless one can afford to be extravagant and toss the man-made tree and buy new every year.  Undecided

Sorry--couldn't resist the edit.  Grin  I love faux-Victorian ornaments myself.
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2008, 05:53:37 pm »

Interesting thread!

I used to collect a lot of Christmas ornaments, antique ones!

Why is that feather tree so expensive?
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2008, 08:23:05 am »

You guys are into some very interesting things!

Tell me, what are the oldest ones you have? I have a very faded red icicle made of something fuzzy, and a Santa Claus made of the same material with a small carved wooden face the size of a quarter. Again,both are small and 'flattish'. I've heard of a material called chenille, but don't have a clue---is that possibly what they are? They have wire bases. I believe they're from the first decade of the 20th century and used to belong to a family friend named Clara. Matter of fact, she and my mother were the two people I saw BBM with for the very first time...couldn't have been with two better people for my virgin viewing !

Clara is in her 80's and has a mind sharp as a tack. She actually remembered and said they were put away for good and were 'too old' when she was a girl in Grammar School-----which means they hadn't been used in about 70 years from when I found them in her basement, and this is the first year I'VE used them. She said I could have them. And she also gave me some very old glass ornaments...the usual 'bells' from the 30's through the early 50's plus a green glass 'top', 2 pinecones, & a few others from the 20's into the 30's.

It's odd, with all the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of ornaments in my mother's collection, we have very few old ornaments in my family; most date from the 70's on up. So these were a nice addition to, uh, MINE lol... Katrina had a LOT but as said, most were stolen when we had all the reconstruction done.

I think you guys have done more 'theme' work then me, by far. I just like good ornaments>>>which means there isn't any real 'theme'. I put all the Santa Claus ornaments which were suitable on the fireplace mantle [well, it's a themelol], along with all the Baccarat angels I bought my wife last year on ebay. I'd say I'll put pictures but I'm the WORSE, and mean the WORSE---hell I have photos from the ESTES PARK gathering which haven't been posted!!!! Except on facebook  Roll Eyes

I'd really like to see that silver and gold masterpiece....
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2008, 08:29:59 am »

"Affordable style for your home":  www.grandinroad.com
By the way--- a 300 dollar cheesecake???LOLOLOLOL

oh
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what will they think of next??
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2008, 08:31:45 am »

Interesting thread!

I used to collect a lot of Christmas ornaments, antique ones!

Why is that feather tree so expensive?
Not a clue Artiste!

I pity the naked birds LOL

But I've heard those feather trees are beautiful
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2008, 11:45:54 am »

Seen one, but can not remember it to be beautiful!

I wonder how that all started?

Do you know?
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2008, 07:26:57 pm »

My mum has one Christmas Tree decoration left from a set, which she treasures. She always has a fit when she brings the decorations out cos she thinks she has lost it. But we always know where she has put it frm the eyar before. (She has put it n the same place for the last god... 14 years!

Its a Xmas decoration that her dad brought home from a foreign trip when she was a child (he was a deep sea diver) its a little santa. It has almost like a wax face (which is smaller than your pinky nail) and his body is made from red wool. It's like a little stick man with a face. Its literally as wide as your index fingers and half the length of it. Its tiny and a bit ragged now but its a staple on the tree and sits at the top near the star.
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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2008, 07:54:16 pm »

That sounds so beautiful Kelda!

May we see a photo of it?

Please!

Au revoir,
hugs!  I could not remember where to find the Christmas tree to-day, and mother did saying that it was in her bedroom! I usually place it in the garage and then can not find it; so I know that she purchased another one last year! Here pic of it a bit... with that small angel that my gay brother purchased for her many, many years ago when he was a saleman in a store! That angel used to light up!
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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2008, 06:14:48 am »

I'm not a ornament-aholic, but I have one ornament that is especially dear to me. It's my favorite ornament since I was a child. When I moved out from my dad's place, I took it with me, and it's on the top of my tree every year:




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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2008, 10:32:42 am »

Hey, we have 1 similkiar to yours Chrissi!
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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2010, 12:23:18 am »

My favorite ornament is a mauve glass ball with deer romping around its equator. I bought it when I was nine years old...my mother said each of us children could select one ornament, and it's been with me ever since.
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2010, 11:46:26 am »

I bought a fancy christnmas tree ornament at the rockefeller centre in NYC. It has its own little presentation box & is hand blown and hand painted with a scene of the big rockefeller xmas tree.

That was my treat from NYC!

Its now apacked in the Christmas box, so once I bring it out I'll take a photo!
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2010, 07:53:55 pm »

I bought a fancy christnmas tree ornament at the rockefeller centre in NYC. It has its own little presentation box & is hand blown and hand painted with a scene of the big rockefeller xmas tree.

That was my treat from NYC!

Its now apacked in the Christmas box, so once I bring it out I'll take a photo!
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2010, 12:42:05 pm »

Addicted?  Maybe to the brink of needing treatment.  I have ornaments that range from the antique (the nicest is a beautifully preserved garland of mini glass ornaments) to the funky (some WWII globe ornaments that are mostly clear - to save the paint for military use - with cardboard crowns - to save the metal for the military) to the wicked pricey (Waterford, Radke).  My Dad died in 2003, and I haven't had a tree since then, but I still buy ornaments.  These days I do buy fewer, only two or three/year, but I do not want to stop, so maybe it's a hobby, not an addiction...although I can't imagine stopping.  Sadly, I even remember the 'victim' ornaments, the beauties that 'died' in service.  Do I need help?
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2010, 03:09:47 pm »

SOunds like you might be! What do you do with the ornaments if you dont show the pretty with a tree? Pictures please!
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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2010, 08:41:57 am »

Yesterday, just out of curiosity, I typed "vintage Christmas tree ornaments" into the search box on eBay. OMG, there were literally thousands of listings of vintage ornaments!  Shocked

I myself may be trying to score a small, vintage, aluminum Christmas tree.  Grin

That's actually kind of funny. When I was a very small boy my grandparents had a floor-model aluminum tree, and I hated it because you couldn't put lights on it. OTOH, at the same time, we used to put a small aluminum tree in my room, so maybe that's why I'm feeling drawn to try to get one for my Christmas tree this year.
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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2010, 11:06:08 am »

I may not be addicted, but in honor of this thread, I decided to start a new tradition and buy one new and special ornament every year, preferrably to be bought on vacations, so it's also a souvenir.

Two weeks ago I was in the Black Forest and bought my first souvenir-special ornament: a glass bowl with two 'holes' in it and a tiny miniature Christmas tree inside the glass bowl.
Will post a pic when I have one.
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« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2010, 11:09:11 am »

Yesterday, just out of curiosity, I typed "vintage Christmas tree ornaments" into the search box on eBay. OMG, there were literally thousands of listings of vintage ornaments!  Shocked

I myself may be trying to score a small, vintage, aluminum Christmas tree.  Grin

That's actually kind of funny. When I was a very small boy my grandparents had a floor-model aluminum tree, and I hated it because you couldn't put lights on it. OTOH, at the same time, we used to put a small aluminum tree in my room, so maybe that's why I'm feeling drawn to try to get one for my Christmas tree this year.


Did I get you right and you're talking about two different things? Small floor-model aluminum trees and even smaller ornaments, looking like those floor models?
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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2010, 11:15:35 am »

Did I get you right and you're talking about two different things? Small floor-model aluminum trees and even smaller ornaments, looking like those floor models?
Anyway, good luck Jeff!

Close, but not exactly. I'm not thinking of looking for an ornament that looks like an aluminum Christmas tree, just maybe looking for a small, table-top-size aluminum tree.
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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2010, 07:48:40 pm »

"Aluminum" as an adjective modifying "tree"? That does not compute  Huh?

On these fine end-of-fall days I like to tromp around looking for a nice twiggy branch to set up on the stair landing in a crock and hang my leftover ornaments on it, that won't fit on the regular tree. Or a deer or elk antler, anything like that. This year I scored early...the elk came through and made a mess of our large pea bush. The bush was getting out of control so I just think of it as natural pruning. I stuck it in some sand and it's all ready to go.
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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2010, 11:02:16 pm »

Close, but not exactly. I'm not thinking of looking for an ornament that looks like an aluminum Christmas tree, just maybe looking for a small, table-top-size aluminum tree.

Jeff, have you seen this site:

http://aluminumchristmastrees.net/store/categories/1/christmas-trees/

I think you can get your tabletop tree for under $10.  (To save time, shop trees in ascending order pricewise.)

And because I'm nosy, I just have to ask:  Did your parents use a color wheel with their tree?
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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2010, 03:41:23 am »

I got curious and clicked Fran's link. The idea of aluminum Christmas trees sounded strange to me when Jeff mentioned it, but when I looked it up now - OMG, only in America! Shocked

And the ornaments going along with it:



Only in America you could sell something like this as Christmas ornaments laugh Wink
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« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2010, 09:03:38 am »

Jeff, have you seen this site:

http://aluminumchristmastrees.net/store/categories/1/christmas-trees/

I think you can get your tabletop tree for under $10.  (To save time, shop trees in ascending order pricewise.)

And because I'm nosy, I just have to ask:  Did your parents use a color wheel with their tree?

Somewhat belatedly--thanks! I'll check this out.

So far I've just been looking on eBay, where table-top models seem to be going for about $50.

It was my grandparents who had the aluminum tree, and, yeah, you betcha, they had a color wheel!  laugh

I'm laughing at my own fascination with these trees now, because when I was a little boy, I couldn't stand Grandma and Grandpa's tree. It seemed like such an abomination because you couldn't put lights on it--which, to me then, seemed the very essence of "Christmas tree." It was all very 1960. The tree sat in the big picture window in the living room, with the color wheel trained on it, so that passers-by in the street could see this aluminum tree change colors as the color wheel turned.  laugh

On eBay I've even seen a pink aluminum tree--which, of course, reminds me of instructions given to Charlie Brown to get a modern Christmas tree--"maybe painted pink!"  laugh

I'm also looking into feather trees.  Cool
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« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2010, 03:14:48 pm »

I'm also looking into feather trees.  Cool


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« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2010, 04:24:57 pm »

You made me google again. Now I feel so old world laugh.

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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2010, 10:07:50 pm »

Today I met with the originator of this thread, brokebackjack. He gave me some wonderful rose cuttings. We're looking forward to the opening of the Botanic Gardens holiday shop in a few days, LOL!
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2010, 03:03:39 pm »

The special ornament I bought in the Black Forest this year:




And my Ennis truck again:

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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2010, 03:09:01 pm »

It's not really an ornament, since it's not hanging in the tree. But it's a new special Christmas decoration for me. You can't buy any western themed decoration in Germany. Not a chance in hell, zero, nada.
But I found a campfire/cooking fire! Cheesy
It's made for nativity scenes, but to me, it's a reference to our boys. If you can't get western themed deco, you have to get creative, lol.




I put it next to my nativity scene:

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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2010, 03:15:40 pm »

One of my bosses certainly is addicted to Christmas ornaments, because aside from two joke gifts, my present this year from him was nothing BUT gorgeous Christmas tree ornaments.  Of course, I don't celebrate Xmas and don't have a tree, but it's the thought that counts and they're still very lovely.
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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2010, 03:23:18 pm »

One of my bosses certainly is addicted to Christmas ornaments, because aside from two joke gifts, my present this year from him was nothing BUT gorgeous Christmas tree ornaments.  Of course, I don't celebrate Xmas and don't have a tree, but it's the thought that counts and they're still very lovely.


If you like them and want to show them, you could hang them into a window or on a wall, even if you're not celebrating.
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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2010, 03:26:38 pm »

After posting some ornaments, here's the whole thingie:





Question: Shall we open a new thread, reserved for trees? We have tree pics from previous years scattered in several threads. Might be nice to have them all collected in one thread and compare different years.What do people think?
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« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2010, 03:47:18 pm »



my rockefeller ornament above...

and my tree...

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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2010, 04:07:57 pm »

Love the Rockefeller ornament. Ain't it great to have ornaments that remind you of special events?
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« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2010, 04:27:59 pm »

It's not really an ornament, since it's not hanging in the tree. But it's a new special Christmas decoration for me. You can't buy any western themed decoration in Germany. Not a chance in hell, zero, nada.
But I found a campfire/cooking fire! Cheesy
It's made for nativity scenes, but to me, it's a reference to our boys. If you can't get western themed deco, you have to get creative, lol.




I put it next to my nativity scene:


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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2010, 06:48:04 pm »


If you like them and want to show them, you could hang them into a window or on a wall, even if you're not celebrating.

I am.  Just trying to figure out a way to do it, so my cats don't think they're new dangly cat toys.  Grin
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« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2010, 07:08:17 pm »

Chrissi, I love the camp fire and the Ennis' truck ornaments!

The truck is clearly visible in the picture of your tree.


(and I sense a certain IKEA touch to your book case..... Cool)
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« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2010, 12:52:32 am »

Question: Shall we open a new thread, reserved for trees? We have tree pics from previous years scattered in several threads. Might be nice to have them all collected in one thread and compare different years.What do people think?

Chrissi, it would be nice to have a Christmas tree thread if you'd like.  Go for it!  Cool

It's still fine to post the tree pics here, too, though.  They are covered with ornaments after all.  Grin
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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2010, 01:57:58 am »

I am.  Just trying to figure out a way to do it, so my cats don't think they're new dangly cat toys.  Grin


Oh yes, I so know what you're talking about. Grin


(and I sense a certain IKEA touch to your book case..... Cool)

Yes, it's Billy. Grin
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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2010, 06:53:50 pm »


Yes, it's Billy. Grin

Exactly what I thought it was!   Cool
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« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2010, 03:37:52 pm »


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If you like them and want to show them, you could hang them into a window or on a wall, even if you're not celebrating.

I am.  Just trying to figure out a way to do it, so my cats don't think they're new dangly cat toys.  Grin

Solution:  I piled them in a decorative bowl!  Grin
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« Reply #48 on: January 01, 2011, 06:32:42 am »

Penthesilea on December 19, 2010, 03:23:18 pm
Solution:  I piled them in a decorative bowl!  Grin

Good thinking there. Smiley
For my part, I continue to hang back two or three ornaments a day. Thankfully, my cat is content with the lower branches of the tree. All the ornaments which are special to me hang in the upper branches. So far not one ornament is broken, thanks to the carpet under the tree.
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« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2011, 07:14:21 pm »

All my decorations are now down.. it feels very very bare..
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« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2016, 09:27:23 pm »

I didn't realize how many cowboy/western/Brokie ornaments I have until I took them all down today!  laugh
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