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Re: Life and this movie are messy
« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2006, 01:19:48 pm »
Another topic. I was just thinking recently about the scene where two Texans call Jack a "pissant" in front of his wife. And Jack complains of having to sleep in a tent that smells like cat piss, and also relieves himself in the woods before flicking his belt buckle in front of Ennis. What does this mean to the story, I wonder? Any ideas?
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Re: Life and this movie are messy
« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2006, 01:37:02 pm »
Another topic. I was just thinking recently about the scene where two Texans call Jack a "pissant" in front of his wife. And Jack complains of having to sleep in a tent that smells like cat piss, and also relieves himself in the woods before flicking his belt buckle in front of Ennis. What does this mean to the story, I wonder? Any ideas?

More peeing (I didn't check if it was mentioned on this thread before):

Jack's father pi§§ed on him when he was a boy.
Ennis pees in the sink in the prologue.

(And let's not forget the peeing sheep  ;))

I think the peeing adds to the story's realism as much as other things mentioned on this thread. And, again, it's Proulx-like: rough worded, unsentimental.

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Re: Life and this movie are messy
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2006, 09:15:53 pm »
More peeing (I didn't check if it was mentioned on this thread before):

Jack's father pi§§ed on him when he was a boy.
Ennis pees in the sink in the prologue.

(And let's not forget the peeing sheep  ;))

I think the peeing adds to the story's realism as much as other things mentioned on this thread. And, again, it's Proulx-like: rough worded, unsentimental.

I agree.  It's just clear observation.  People are animals.  They stink, piss and when they mess around with anal sex, you get the scent of shit as well.  Hard facts.  Doesn't detract from them as humans though.

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Re: Life and this movie are messy
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2006, 09:20:31 pm »
Another topic. I was just thinking recently about the scene where two Texans call Jack a "pissant" in front of his wife. And Jack complains of having to sleep in a tent that smells like cat piss, and also relieves himself in the woods before flicking his belt buckle in front of Ennis. What does this mean to the story, I wonder? Any ideas?
:laugh: Sorry Front but is that a serious question??  About all the pee in the story?? lol  Dont mean to laugh but sounds funny.  If it is serious I guess I really didn't think about something like that when I've seen or read the story.

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Re: Life and this movie are messy
« Reply #54 on: October 26, 2006, 02:48:25 pm »
Yes, horo, it was a serious question, but if it made you laugh, then it accomplished two good purposes! I especially wonder at the scene where the two geezers call Jack a pissant. What is that all about, anyway??
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Re: Life and this movie are messy
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2006, 12:01:43 am »
Mmm..well pissant is actually a word..means: "one that is insignificant -- used as a generalized term of abuse" And it definately comes from the word piss/urine.  The big question is did Annie mean to use these references to urine in the story?  Is there a meaning/connection? I suspect there really is no connection...but if there is i would have to agree with Penthesileas' quote: "I think the peeing adds to the story's realism as much as other things mentioned on this thread. And, again, it's Proulx-like: rough worded, unsentimental."
That's all I have to say about this subject...now if you'll excuse me I have to go to the bathroom! :laugh:
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Re: Life and this movie are messy
« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2006, 12:32:48 pm »
Does it mean like, pissing on an ant? Cause if it does, that calls to mind the terrible experience Jack had as a child when his father actually pissed on him. Another thing along these lines. There is a lot of pissing associated with Jack but not a lot associated with Ennis. This seems in character, because Jack is associated with liquids in general, while Ennis's element is earth or stone (or fire). But the one time we see Ennis urinating is in the prolog, when he pisses in the sink after dreaming about Jack. This reminds me of the scene where Alma turns on the spigots of the sink and they seem to "call forth from their domestic cousin" to the wild waters of the mountain stream.
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Re: Life and this movie are messy
« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2006, 12:59:51 pm »
here's an interesting definition I found for piss ants under "pests"...

Pissants, Piss Ants
Odorous Ants, Piss Ants, Sugar Ants

In the United States, any small or tiny ant that infests a home is often labeled as a Pissant or piss ant.  An actual Pissant is an ant that lives in certain European forests and gets its name from the odor produce by its nesting material - pine straw and pine needles.  Middle English pissemyre : pisse, urine (from the smell of the formic acid that ants secrete); piss + mire, ant (probably of Scandinavian origin; akin to Danish myre).

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Re: Life and this movie are messy
« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2006, 04:30:18 pm »
Question for the day: What kind of scent would Ennis wear? (I'm Xmas gift shopping) I'm envisaging a musk-based scent with top notes of salty-sweet mountain air, cigarette smoke, ozone, with a long finish of freshly-sythed green grass. Anybody know where I can get such an item??
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Re: Life and this movie are messy
« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2006, 06:23:22 pm »
Yes, I love the way Proulx uses 'stink'.  Men in Ennis and Jack's line of work don't bathe that often - especially in 1963 - and if they do, rarely could they afford deoderant, so yes, they did stink after a hard day's labor.

The short story is majorly Ennis POV.  So Ennis is not about to describe another man's personal effluvia with such soft-pedaled words as 'scent', 'odor', 'fragrance' or what have you.  Jack stinks after a normal day's work - though in the short story we do wonder about Jack's personal hygiene after he's married Lureen and comes up to Riverton after 4 years.  He's a businessman by then and you'd think he'd be a little cleaner.

Ennis mainly saw Jack in a wilderness setting, first during that summer on Brokeback and later on camping trips. We can assume that Jack was much cleaner when he was at home and in sales situations.

Also, I remember 1963 clearly enough to know that plumbing, soap and deodorants were quite adequate then. It wasn't exactly the medieval era.