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[southendmd]

And if this isn't rap, I don't know what is.  "Whadya Talk?"  aka "Rock Island"  also from Music Man.
This is actually brilliant!

[serious crayons]

I know nothing about rap except that it's a thing. I was under the impression that the lyrics were (probably) slower than Stipe.

They probably usually are. But not always; take these examples. (Only 49 and 41 seconds respectively)

 

Eminem does that really well, but I think he's unusual in that respect. I don't know how a mouth can even move that fast.


Here's a more typical speed, by Jay-Z, but still pretty fast, maybe closer to ItEotWaWKI's pace. This one is the full-length song, which you've probably heard, but it's a nice video and aside from some of the lyrics I really like this song -- Alicia Keys' part at least as much as Jay-Z's.

[serious crayons]

Here is my version of early rap:  it's from 1955, "Guys and Dolls".  Whadya think?

To me, that song sounds like regular old singing.

And then there was this, from "Music Man" (1957), also early rap, in my opinion. 

Absolutely! Robert Preston is definitely rapping -- rapping about vice, in fact, a frequent hip-hop topic. Preston is widely recognized within the rap world as an early pioneer of the genre.

[Jeff Wrangler]

Absolutely! Robert Preston is definitely rapping -- rapping about vice, in fact, a frequent hip-hop topic. Preston is widely recognized within the rap world as an early pioneer of the genre.

That's interesting. Then they really ought to give at least some credit to Meredith Wilson. He wrote it, after all. I wonder what he would think if he knew people were considering "Trouble" as an example of Rap?

I wonder if there was a term for that sort of thing in Wilson's day?

Has anybody ever expressed an opinion on something like "I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major General"?

[Jeff Wrangler]

That's interesting. Then they really ought to give at least some credit to Meredith Wilson. He wrote it, after all. I wonder what he would think if he knew people were considering "Trouble" as an example of Rap?

I wonder if there was a term for that sort of thing in Wilson's day?

Well, I kinda answered my own question, I guess. Whoever compiled this list considers "Ya Got Trouble" to be a patter song. That's what I would have called it rather than a rap, but then I'm an Old Musical kinda guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_patter_songs

It's the very last item listed in the "After G&S" category.

I didn't have time to read this word for word, but there seems to be some interesting and relevant stuff in it about the relationship between patter songs and rap.

https://newmusicaltheatre.com/blogs/green-room/why-i-care-about-rap-musicals

"He Doesn't Know the Territory" is from "Rock Island,"the opening number in The Music Man.

This author lists "Rock Island" but doesn't mention "Ya Got Trouble."

https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/SOUND-OFF-Special-Edition-Top-10-Raddest-Baddest-Rap-Songs-In-Broadway-History-20150805

[CellarDweller]

Hello All!

*waves*

As of 2 hours ago, I am double vaxxed! 

[Sason]

Wonderful!

Which vaxx did you get?

How long before you can count on the full effect?

[Jeff Wrangler]

Hello All!

*waves*

As of 2 hours ago, I am double vaxxed! 

Beat ya! I got mine at 1:05 p.m.    (I don't know why they made the appointment for 1:05 instead of just 1:00, but I don't really care.  )

[serious crayons]

That's interesting. Then they really ought to give at least some credit to Meredith Wilson. He wrote it, after all. I wonder what he would think if he knew people were considering "Trouble" as an example of Rap?

Whoever compiled this list considers "Ya Got Trouble" to be a patter song. That's what I would have called it rather than a rap, but then I'm an Old Musical kinda guy.

Actually I was kidding, but the author of that article seems to see some validity in the comparison. I skimmed it pretty fast because the author is a scholar and most technical musical stuff is over my head.

We'll have to ask Lin-Manuel Miranda, who proved that rap can be a big hit on Broadway!

I considered adding Rex Harrison, who I remembered speak-singing his songs in My Fair Lady. But I took a quick look at "Why Can't the English Teach Their Children How to Speak?" and he's actually carrying a bit of a tune.

I also saw enough to conclude the show wouldn't go over very well today -- very classist, for one thing. I realize Prof. Harold Hill is supposed to be a bit of a snob, but that's not emphasized enough.

Sometime between then and now (probably late '60s, I would guess) aristocrats lost a lot of their coolness cred.

Plus, I've always resented the movie for dumping Julie Andrews, the star of the play, for Audrey Hepburn, whose singing had to be dubbed.

 

[CellarDweller]

Wonderful!

Which vaxx did you get?

How long before you can count on the full effect?

I got the Moderna, and I believe that after 2 weeks I'm considered "immune", but I don't think that's true.