Jake In Drag??

[serious crayons]

In spite of all the distractions and frivolities of the filming, this was clearly a very important day to John.  And when he was suddenly allowed to see the magical pavillion, he suddenly got a catch in his voice.  The hokeyness and commercialism of the show suddenly disappeared for a few seconds and you felt his intense gratitude for these five generous strangers who were doing their utmost to make his marriage proposal memorable for himself and his future wife, these men who expressed with their extravagant designs the hugeness of what he felt for her but could not have found a symbol for by himself.

You know, Andrew, I only saw QEFTSG once or twice, but I think I saw this one. (Wasn't there something involving wooing the girlfriend with some really deluxe chocolate?) Anyway, if it's the one I'm thinking of, you're right, it was genuinely touching!

I didn't need to watch the show any more than that because I figured, you've seen one, you've seen a season's worth. But I left the show with fairly positive feelings because of that particular episode.

[serious crayons]

I would like to let them and not make them a William Shatner and eventually make them regret taking the roles in the first place.

The name William Shatner would mean nothing to anyone today if it weren't for Star Trek. Regret? He has played that role for all he can, and it has taken him farther than he probably ever had a right to expect. That said, I like William Shatner a lot; he funny and seems to take himself very unseriously.

But, much as I love BBM, it would be depressing to see Jake or Heath host SNL 10 years from now -- let alone the 40 it's been since Star Trek! -- and still be doing BBM jokes. Depressing for them, depressing for BBM, depressing for the world.

As for Jay Leno and his homophobic ilk: they are shameless. Like Meryl said, do they never stop to think about what it is they're saying? Along with the members of the AMPA, I will never respect those people again.

[Shakesthecoffecan]

Hi Folks,

Greetins from Wild wonderful west virginia. i,Wayne, Lynne, Wulf and RouxB and My partner are in a little cabin, drink wine, and we have a 56k dial up connection. We want to know what size dress you think he is wearing. We watched SNL on Broadcast TV, and the stock footage awards was innerupted by local coverage of an apartment fire. We think 12-14, but maybe up to 20.

Peace Out,

stg

[David In Indy]

Sometimes I deliberately expose myself to a show I know is supposed to be perpetuating stereotypes, just to see if I have been stereotyping it!  I watched Queer Eye once, early on in the first season.  Although Carson Kressley was trying hard to succeed and be accepted by being stereotypical, the others were just rather intent on their tasks, to set up a special evening in which their subject, John, would propose to his girlfriend.  John was a handsome goodnatured young man who responded rather gracefully when Kressley made a stupid, totally fake pass at him.  As the culmination, a elaborate pavillion for two lavishly strewn with rose petals was raised in the courtyard.  And then the last thing I expected happened.  In spite of all the distractions and frivolities of the filming, this was clearly a very important day to John.  And when he was suddenly allowed to see the magical pavillion, he suddenly got a catch in his voice.  The hokeyness and commercialism of the show suddenly disappeared for a few seconds and you felt his intense gratitude for these five generous strangers who were doing their utmost to make his marriage proposal memorable for himself and his future wife, these men who expressed with their extravagant designs the hugeness of what he felt for her but could not have found a symbol for by himself.

 

I didn't say "Queer Eye" doesn't have a good side. I've watched a few episodes that left a lump in my throat too.

But one must admit the show does perpetuate some ugly gay stereotypes; Carson zipping up the straight guy's pants as he stares at the poor man's nether region, or holding the straight guy's hand as they skip down the streets of New York (I have seen several of the guys do this).  Why not have a show featuring 5 gay men doing the same job WITHOUT all the flamboyancy?

Maybe the network is afraid people wouldn't watch the show without all these stereotypes constantly being thrown in everyone's face? If the answer is "yes" (and I believe it is) WHY do people want to see the stereotypes? So they can laugh at us? Maybe. Who knows?

Yes Andrew, the show does have it's sweet moments. I have only watched the show about 3 times, and that was enough for me. Maybe I should watch it again. Maybe I didn't give the show enough of a chance. But even with the sweet endings, somehow the negative stereotypes far outweigh any warm and fuzzy feeling the program might give me.

I respect your comment Andrew, just as I very much respect you. But I think I will respectfully disagree with you on this one.  

[David In Indy]

Hi Folks,

Greetins from Wild wonderful west virginia. i,Wayne, Lynne, Wulf and RouxB and My partner are in a little cabin, drink wine, and we have a 56k dial up connection. We want to know what size dress you think he is wearing. We watched SNL on Broadcast TV, and the stock footage awards was innerupted by local coverage of an apartment fire. We think 12-14, but maybe up to 20.

Peace Out,

stg

Oh! I am SOOOO jealous! I wish I could have gone on that trip! I hope you all are having a great time! Jake's dress size? He's got to be an 18 if he's an ounce!

 

That didn't make much sense, did it? He's gotta be an 18! Just look at those abs. 

[delalluvia]

The name William Shatner would mean nothing to anyone today if it weren't for Star Trek. Regret? He has played that role for all he can, and it has taken him farther than he probably ever had a right to expect. That said, I like William Shatner a lot; he funny and seems to take himself very unseriously.

But, much as I love BBM, it would be depressing to see Jake or Heath host SNL 10 years from now -- let alone the 40 it's been since Star Trek! -- and still be doing BBM jokes. Depressing for them, depressing for BBM, depressing for the world.

As for Jay Leno and his homophobic ilk: they are shameless. Like Meryl said, do they never stop to think about what it is they're saying? Along with the members of the AMPA, I will never respect those people again.

William Shatner's regret was that his name might have meant something more than Capt. Kirk had he not been so identified with the character that he could never get any other meaningful work.  He was T.J. Hooker, but critics called him 'Captn Kirk with a badge.'  He's been milking it in recent years to be sure, a classic example of 'If you can't beat them, join them.'

Oh, I agree with Jess.  It's one of those - we can make stereotypical jokes about ourselves, but no other people can do it - things.

As for Jay Leno and ilk, other than he and his wife's charitable work, I never thought much about them period, much less develop or not develop respect for them.

[BBM-Cat]

But they are actors, not activists and they are moving on with their careers and personal lives and perhaps it's we fans who don't want to let them, holding them to our own standards and not their own.

I would like to let them and not make them a William Shatner and eventually make them regret taking the roles in the first place.

So very well said - both Jake and Heath are moving on with their careers. Just think - they had more than a year before BBM came out in theaters to process what they went through, and now it has been over two years for the actors - moving on and continuing to grow in other roles just makes sense. It is difficult for some to accept - some of us are viewing BBM only for the first time since it came out. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say but there will always be those who are new to BBM and who rediscover it.

[Flashframe777]

All this "Queer Eye" talk has got me SNL wardrobe curious...what do you call two men who share each other's clothing?  There's got to be some clever term for it- Closet Cousins?  Prada Partners?  Puma Buddies? Toothy Tile Sportswear Lovers?

...from another, er, I plead the 5th  , site.......

[David In Indy]

All this "Queer Eye" talk has got me SNL wardrobe curious...what do you call two men who share each other's clothing?  There's got to be some clever term for it- Closet Cousins?  Prada Partners?  Puma Buddies?

...from another, er, I plead the 5th  , site.......

Ummmm.......Hmmmmmm........

I'm gonna think about that and get back with ya. You're right though, there's got to be a clever name for it... or them....

 

I'll think about it! 

[welliwont]

Hi Folks,

Greetins from Wild wonderful west virginia. i,Wayne, Lynne, Wulf and RouxB and My partner are in a little cabin, drink wine, and we have a 56k dial up connection. We want to know what size dress you think he is wearing. We watched SNL on Broadcast TV, and the stock footage awards was innerupted by local coverage of an apartment fire. We think 12-14, but maybe up to 20.

Peace Out,

stg

Hey you guys, here's another answer for you:  my guess is 18 too.  maybe 20....