Exactly WHEN does Jack decide.. th 1st tent scene..is gonna be th 1s tent scene?

[houstonangel88]

Victoria, beautifully put.  agree  1000%

[EnnisDelMar]

Yep, agree 100% Vic

[twistedude]

I can't fight you all...yoiu make it sound like I was saying they had no feelings for eachother, or that Ennis was a moron, or something.

Ennis is NOT "yearning" for Jack when he says "what are you doing?" He's asking a simple question...

Guess i better just get out of here...nobody is willing to admit that Jack is more than an equal partner in what happens..I simply cannot agree with you.

It woud be lovely if we all just came together without anyone having to make a first move...Jack has to make a LOT of first moves!!! And this contunes throughout his short life...surely you're not saying that Ennis is an open, relaxed, homosexual man with a fair amount of sexual experience?

What the hell ARE you saying?

Oh: I wrote a short story. I don't know what to do with it. I'm scared to show it to anyone. It has sex in it only in that it states that sex haopened. It's called "Lureen." I'm surprised nobosdy has written it yet...

[slayers_creek_oth]

I can't fight you all...yoiu make it sound like I was saying they had no feelings for eachother, or that Ennis was a moron, or something.

Ennis is NOT "yearning" for Jack when he says "what are you doing?" He's asking a simple question...

Guess i better just get out of here...nobody is willing to admit that Jack is more than an equal partner in what happens..I simply cannot agree with you.

It woud be lovely if we all just came together without anyone having to make a first move...Jack has to make a LOT of first moves!!! And this contunes throughout his short life...surely you're not saying that Ennis is an open, relaxed, homosexual man with a fair amount of sexual experience?

What the hell ARE you saying?

Oh: I wrote a short story. I don't know what to do with it. I'm scared to show it to anyone. It has sex in it only in that it states that sex haopened. It's called "Lureen." I'm surprised nobosdy has written it yet...

Who said that we have to agree?  Thats why its an opinion....and everyone is entitled to one!  Nevertheless its not worth arguing over.....IMO at least...

[vkm91941]

I can't fight you all...yoiu make it sound like I was saying they had no feelings for eachother, or that Ennis was a moron, or something.

Ennis is NOT "yearning" for Jack when he says "what are you doing?" He's asking a simple question...

Guess i better just get out of here...nobody is willing to admit that Jack is more than an equal partner in what happens..I simply cannot agree with you.

It woud be lovely if we all just came together without anyone having to make a first move...Jack has to make a LOT of first moves!!! And this contunes throughout his short life...surely you're not saying that Ennis is an open, relaxed, homosexual man with a fair amount of sexual experience?

What the hell ARE you saying?

Oh: I wrote a short story. I don't know what to do with it. I'm scared to show it to anyone. It has sex in it only in that it states that sex haopened. It's called "Lureen." I'm surprised nobosdy has written it yet...

Ennis is NOT "yearning" for Jack when he says "what are you doing?"

I never said Ennis was yearning for Jack.  I said he was yearning toward Jack. big difference in meaning.

What the hell ARE you saying?

Well..if you read what I wrote I think an intelligent woman such as yourself will see EXACTLY what I'm saying it's pretty plain.

Oh: I wrote a short story. I don't know what to do with it. I'm scared to show it to anyone. It has sex in it only in that it states that sex haopened. It's called "Lureen." I'm surprised nobosdy has written it yet...

Post it either here on the Bettermost fan fiction board. I would love to read it.

I enjoy your posts Julie, I just don't always see eye to eye with you or at least with the way you express yourself...maybe that's our real difference semantics...

[serious crayons]

I agree with Victoria maybe 85 percent. The quibbles being:

-- I think Jack had hoped for a while that the two of them would get together and, knowing he'd have to be the initiator, was looking for the right opportunity. I'm not talking about predation or evil scheming, don't think he purposely switched jobs and got Ennis drunk just so he could pounce. But I do think that Jack was attracted to Ennis from the get-go, was pretty comfortable with his sexuality and so consciously wanted to ratchet up their friendship to a romantic relationship (if Ennis did too, it wasn't conscious). Jack didn't plan that night out in advance, but when he saw that circumstances were right he went for it. I don't think that's untoward -- I would have done the same.

-- Just before TS2 I don't think of Ennis as sitting by the fire struggling with should I or shouldn't I. By then -- in fact, by the time they're sitting together on the hill watching the sheep -- he's made up his mind that he definitely should. But he's reeeeaaaaalllly nervous. Not in a homophobic way, but just because he's shy and this is something he's never done before and he's not sure how it will go but it's very important to him because he is in love with Jack. Again, I would have been the same way.

[RouxB]

Yup..they just...drift together...Jack doesn't do anytbhing...and I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you-but I've changed my mind about my sister; I'll keep her. Please look at these two pictures CAREFULLY, LARGE...

Thanks, Julie, I'm not really in the market for any bridges just now.

When I say "drift together" I mean [bold]physically[/bold] drift together in their sleep-evidence of their need and desire to be together. When Jack grabs Ennis's hand to introduce him to Little Jack, the fire roars to life.

As for Vic's DVD, just a way of saying I agree with her.

I think there is room here for everyone's opinions...

 

[slayers_creek_oth]

-- I think Jack had hoped for a while that the two of them would get together and, knowing he'd have to be the initiator, was looking for the right opportunity. I'm not talking about predation or evil scheming, don't think he purposely switched jobs and got Ennis drunk just so he could pounce. But I do think that Jack was attracted to Ennis from the get-go, was pretty comfortable with his sexuality and so consciously wanted to ratchet up their friendship to a romantic relationship (if Ennis did too, it wasn't conscious). Jack didn't plan that night out in advance, but when he saw that circumstances were right he went for it. I don't think that's untoward -- I would have done the same.

Thats kinda what Vic said....the attraction was there and with the right place and time it happened......so yes I think that Jack was obviously attracted to Ennis but WASN'T thinkin "I'm gonna seduce him tonight."  That make sense?  JMO

[littleguitar]

-- I think Jack had hoped for a while that the two of them would get together and, knowing he'd have to be the initiator, was looking for the right opportunity. I'm not talking about predation or evil scheming, don't think he purposely switched jobs and got Ennis drunk just so he could pounce. But I do think that Jack was attracted to Ennis from the get-go, was pretty comfortable with his sexuality and so consciously wanted to ratchet up their friendship to a romantic relationship (if Ennis did too, it wasn't conscious). Jack didn't plan that night out in advance, but when he saw that circumstances were right he went for it. I don't think that's untoward -- I would have done the same.

Thats kinda what Vic said....the attraction was there and with the right place and time it happened......so yes I think that Jack was obviously attracted to Ennis but wasn't thinkin "I'm gonna seduce him tonight."  That make sense?

Right, I agree, I think that's what I've been saying all along, that no one is disagreeing with this... I think it's pretty obvious that Jack is attracted right away and is more comfortable with his feelings and makes the first move... it's just that that night wasn't planned.  They were both surprised when Jack grabbed Ennis's hand

[twistedude]

I am perfectly happy with--anything anyone wants to say. I don't mind being disagreed with, but I hate having people say I've said what i haven't--Jack is NOT a "sexual preditor," nor does he "plot." But I SAY: if he had NOT taklen advantage of the situation, nothing would ever have happened, and we would all be writing on the "Crash" board..well, maybe that's going too far...


I meant to tell you all-I DID send my post about the reading=room ceiiong, and a moderator post telling us all to QUIET DOWN--to the head of volunteer services at the Asian Art Museum--I removed all the other posts from- it-i think it's page 2. I told her i didn't think she'd be interested in the discussion per se (but I sent her enough so that she could tell this was a HUGE board devoted to such discussions--I said that in my note attached to the e-mail). Her history with BBM is that she borrowed the short story from me, loved it, but didn't like the movie nearly as well (happens sometines).

I'll try to work up enough gut to post my story...

Surely, you must know how HARD it is to admit that other people may be right, as well as you?

Am I goinbg to open a whole new can of worms if i say "Jews love to argue. They don't mean they hate you, they just like to ARGUE, and in his heart of hearts, ecach one believes he is right. I am a Jew.