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get out and VOTE!!!
« on: September 05, 2008, 06:46:32 pm »
For anyone, but women in particular.

A friend of mine e-mailed me this.  The "Night of Terror" is true.


This is not a jokeā€”in fact, I checked it all out and am ordering the movie from Amazon...the struggle for the right to vote has happened and is happening for women in many countries...


    A Message for all women   

    THIS IS MOVING.  HOW QUICKLY WE FORGET.....IF ....WE EVER KNEW......
     
    WHY WOMEN SHOULD VOTE

    This is the story of our Grandmothers and Great-grandmothers; they lived only 90 years ago.

    Remember, it was not until 1920

    that women were granted the right to go to the polls and vote.

    The women were innocent and defenseless merely gathering publicly in a group, but they were jailed
    nonetheless for picketing the White House, carrying signs asking
    for the vote.

    And by the end of the night, they were barely alive.
    Forty prison guards wielding clubs and their warden's blessing
    went on a rampage against the 33 women wrongly convicted of
    'obstructing sidewalk traffic.'

    They beat Lucy Burns, chained her hands to the cell bars above
    her head and left her hanging for the night, bleeding and gasping
    for air.

    They hurled Dora Lewis into a dark cell, smashed her
    head against an iron bed and knocked her out cold. Her cellmate,
    Alice Cosu, thought Lewis was dead and suffered a heart attack.
    Additional affidavits describe the guards grabbing, dragging,
    beating, choking, slamming, pinching, twisting and kicking the women.

    Thus unfolded the 'Night of Terror' on Nov. 15, 1917,
    when the warden at the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia ordered his
    guards to teach a lesson to the suffragists imprisoned there because
    they dared to picket Woodrow Wilson's White House for the right
    to vote.

    For weeks, the women's only water came from an open pail. Their
    food--all of it colorless slop--was infested with worms.

    When one of the leaders, Alice Paul, embarked on a hunger strike, they tied her to a chair, forced a tube down her throat and poured liquid into her until she vomited. She was tortured like this for weeks
    until word was smuggled out to the press.
    http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/suffrage/nwp/prisoners.pdf
     
    So, refresh my memory. Some women won't vote this year because-
    -why, exactly? We have carpool duties? We have to get to work?
    Our vote doesn't matter? It's raining?

    Last week, I went to a sparsely attended screening of HBO's new
    movie 'Iron Jawed Angels.' It is a graphic depiction of the battle
    these women waged so that I could pull the curtain at the polling
    booth and have my say. I am ashamed to say I needed the reminder.

    My friend...saw the HBO movie, too. When she stopped by my desk to talk
    about it, she looked angry. She was--with herself. 'One thought
    kept coming back to me as I watched that movie,' she said.
    'What would those women think of the way I use, or don't use,
    my right to vote? All of us take it for granted now, not just
    younger women, but those of us who did seek to learn.' The
    right to vote, she said, had become valuable to her 'all over again.'

    HBO released the movie on video and DVD . I wish all history,
    social studies and government teachers would include the movie in
    their curriculum.  I want it shown...anywhere
    else women gather. I realize this isn't our usual idea of socializing,
    but we are not voting in the numbers that we should be, and I think
    a little shock therapy is in order.

    It is jarring to watch Woodrow Wilson and his cronies try to persuade a psychiatrist to declare Alice Paul insane so that she could be permanently institutionalized. And it is inspiring to watch the doctor refuse. Alice Paul was strong, he said, and brave. That didn't make her crazy.

    The doctor admonished the men: 'Courage in women is often mistaken for insanity.'

    Please, if you are so inclined, pass this on to all the women you know.

    We need to get out and vote and use this right that was fought so
    hard for by these very courageous women. Whether you vote democratic, republican or independent party - remember to vote.

    History is being made.

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Re: get out and VOTE!!!
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2008, 06:55:04 pm »
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Re: get out and VOTE!!!
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2008, 07:08:46 pm »
and yet we attack a woman that is running for the second highest office in the country based on rumors from blogs. We use the language of the oppressors..."she can't be vice president, she has kids."

How hypocritical. We ask for our rights then try to deny other women theirs.

On one forum we trash a woman for no other reason then she has a different set of beliefs then us and then come on another and cry about women that were tortured a hundred years ago. And we don't see the irony.

of course I am not intelligent enough to understand all this stuff. We really need to change the laws so people like me don't be voting, only people that are at least as smart as Thomas Jefferson should be allowed to vote.

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Re: get out and VOTE!!!
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2008, 07:29:14 pm »
and yet we attack a woman that is running for the second highest office in the country based on rumors from blogs. We use the language of the oppressors..."she can't be vice president, she has kids."

You read all kinds of things on blogs.  You need to take them with a grain of salt.  Don't forget Hillary Rodham having to change her name to Hillary Clinton and claiming she really liked to stay at home and bake cookies to please the conservatives.  ::)  That wasn't some blogger.  That was reality.

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How hypocritical. We ask for our rights then try to deny other women theirs.

Yep, hypocrisy is exactly what it is.  And yes Palin wants to deny other women their rights.  It's hypocritical of the conservatives to be howling now even though they did the same thing to Hillary Clinton.  We haven't forgotten.

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On one forum we trash a woman for no other reason then she has a different set of beliefs then us and then come on another and cry about women that were tortured a hundred years ago. And we don't see the irony.

The suffragettes wanted to pass along the right to vote to EVERY woman.  Palin's beliefs are fine - for her.  Not every woman shares her beliefs, yet she wants to make it so that we have no other choice.  Yes, there's an irony there that some people aren't seeing.


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Re: get out and VOTE!!!
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2008, 07:39:01 pm »
You read all kinds of things on blogs.  You need to take them with a grain of salt.  Don't forget Hillary Rodham having to change her name to Hillary Clinton and claiming she really liked to stay at home and bake cookies to please the conservatives.  ::)  That wasn't some blogger.  That was reality.

yet we are happy to present them as facts and run with them

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Yep, hypocrisy is exactly what it is.  And yes Palin wants to deny other women their rights.  It's hypocritical of the conservatives to be howling now even though they did the same thing to Hillary Clinton.  We haven't forgotten.


nor have we forgotten how Clinton was treated by the liberal leaders too. We WON'T forget that either.

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The suffragettes wanted to pass along the right to vote to EVERY woman.  Palin's beliefs are fine - for her.  Not every woman shares her beliefs, yet she wants to make it so that we have no other choice.  Yes, there's an irony there that some people aren't seeing.



at least we agree there is irony here.

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Re: get out and VOTE!!!
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2008, 07:55:08 pm »
yet we are happy to present them as facts and run with them

And this is different from normal politics - how? 

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nor have we forgotten how Clinton was treated by the liberal leaders too. We WON'T forget that either.

The conservatives were hypercritical of Hillary because she was a career woman and mother.  Wanted to force her to take her man's name and admit she really wanted to be in the kitchen.  And now conservatives want us to believe they're all about 'women's choices' and anyone who doesn't support their candidate is a 'hypocrite'?

Er, yeah.

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at least we agree there is irony here.

Oh, plenty of it and from both sides.  I get to read how Obama 'posed in front of his Caesar classical pillars and curtain' yet they don't mention Dubya doing the same thing years earlier.  I get to read about how liberals are now 'hypocritical' because they're condemning a woman 'who made a choice' while completely ignoring the fact that the reason liberals condemn her is because she is ANTI-choice, not because of *her* particular choice.  This was from my neo-conservative friends and they didn't see the difference.  Liberals get to hear - yet again - that because they don't support a POW, they're unpatriotic.  A 'family/traditional/abstinence only' candidate has an OOPS in the family with a knocked up 16 year old daughter which shows all too clearly the failure of her way of doing things, but she, her party and Obama all say her family is 'off-limits' to discussion.  What they mean is 'off limits to criticism'.  So they can parade their family on stage and in front of cameras to be flashed around the world - but, "uh uh uh, you can only say GOOD things about them".

You don't want bad things said about their family in public/in blogs?  Get them off the stage.  Sheesh.

Yep, plenty of irony and hypocrisy and special treatment to go around.

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2008, 08:01:01 pm »
And this is different from normal politics - how? 

The conservatives were hypercritical of Hillary because she was a career woman and mother.  Wanted to force her to take her man's name and admit she really wanted to be in the kitchen.  And now conservatives want us to believe they're all about 'women's choices' and anyone who doesn't support their candidate is a 'hypocrite'?

Er, yeah.

Oh, plenty of it and from both sides.  I get to read how Obama 'posed in front of his Caesar classical pillars and curtain' yet they don't mention Dubya doing the same thing years earlier.  I get to read about how liberals are now 'hypocritical' because they're condemning a woman 'who made a choice' while completely ignoring the fact that the reason liberals condemn her is because she is ANTI-choice, not because of *her* particular choice.  This was from my neo-conservative friends and they didn't see the difference.  Liberals get to hear - yet again - that because they don't support a POW, they're unpatriotic.  A 'family/traditional/abstinence only' candidate has an OOPS in the family with a knocked up 16 year old daughter which shows all too clearly the failure of her way of doing things, but she, her party and Obama all say her family is 'off-limits' to discussion.  What they mean is 'off limits to criticism'.  So they can parade their family on stage and in front of cameras to be flashed around the world - but, "uh uh uh, you can only say GOOD things about them".

You don't want bad things said about their family in public/in blogs?  Get them off the stage.  Sheesh.
Yep, plenty of irony and hypocrisy and special treatment to go around.

soooo. because Obama put HIS children on the stage THEY are open game?

I don't think so...but then I ain't oh so clever as some people are...

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Re: get out and VOTE!!!
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2008, 08:07:03 pm »
soooo. because Obama put HIS children on the stage THEY are open game?

I don't think so...but then I ain't oh so clever as some people are...

Yep.  I just think there will be less to talk about.  What's more juicy than a VP candidate's knocked up 16 year old daughter about to marry in a shot-gun wedding a self-proclaimed 'redneck'? 

Obama's kids are much less interesting.

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2008, 09:47:49 pm »
Yep.  I just think there will be less to talk about.  What's more juicy than a VP candidate's knocked up 16 year old daughter about to marry in a shot-gun wedding a self-proclaimed 'redneck'? 

Obama's kids are much less interesting.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

well if it wasn't this, some other garbage would be spread....ya'll go ahead and focus on sex (that is one things that both parties can do so well) meantime, the country has REAL issues that need addressing. I guess us stupid people will have to do as we always do..muddle along running the world while the 'elitists' sit around leering at teenagers and talking a big game about how THEY would fix everything if only....

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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2008, 10:18:53 pm »
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

well if it wasn't this, some other garbage would be spread....ya'll go ahead and focus on sex (that is one things that both parties can do so well) meantime, the country has REAL issues that need addressing. I guess us stupid people will have to do as we always do..muddle along running the world while the 'elitists' sit around leering at teenagers and talking a big game about how THEY would fix everything if only...

And there you go.  See?  You say this and my Obama supporter friends say, "See?  The conservatives didn't even discuss the economy.  They chose a VP to keep the religious fundamentalists/anti-abortion/NRA crowd happy.  They don't care about the economy." [shrug]