Are you "Undateable"?

[David In Indy]

Katherine and Jeff, I agree with ya!  Where IS the list that make women undateable?  How chauvinistic of VH-1 to only focus on the potential faults of the male species, and by association, only on heterosexuals.     I didn't see the series, so maybe Chuck or someone who did can tell us if they even mentioned how restrictive they were being. AND I was also wondering if gay men viewed these same traits as deal-breakers amongst themselves.

Yeah, pretty much Mandy. Although there are some up there that I don't have a problem with at all. For example, the underwear. Why would anyone care what kind of underwear he's wearing? If he has his pants on you can't see his underwear, and if his pants are off, hopefully the underwear is coming off too. BTW, I wear briefs. lol  I always have.

I'll look back over the list again later on when I'm not so busy and point out some of the items I haven't a problem with, and perhaps add a few I don't see included up there.

[wulfar360]

I think its a bizarre mixture of the silly and the serious. Some I just don't get--and I don't mean I have no idea what the writer is talking about. For example, I don't get the objection to carrying a cell phone at the waist. Don't they sell holders made just for the purpose of carrying your phone on your belt? 

Some of the items could be deal breakers. I hate sandals--or mandals--PERIOD--so I'd never give a guy wearing sandals with socks a first look, let alone a second. (Yeah, yeah, I'd have to give him a first look, otherwise how would I know he was wearing socks with sandals?  )  And flip-flops? Don't even think of going there. I can't even stand them on women.

(Today is graduation at the University of Pennsylvania. On my way into work this morning I passed a young woman in her cap and gown--and flip-flops.  )

Boxers are dorky. I wanna see basket and butt!    And any man who can't wear briefs is probably undateable because he's overweight, not because of his choice of underwear.

i wear flip flops all the time even in the winter at times  i think its the hillbilly in me i go barefoot as mucha s i can  i hate wearing shoes

and yes  being over weight does make you undateable  in our communnity which is why im not even lookin to many queens only lookin for  the pretty and not        anything  deeper nmost just want the  quick fuck not the long lasting relationships

[wulfar360]

Oi. You can say that twice and mean it. 

Tell you what, even from a woman's perspective, I've been wondering about something else: "Creepily into Mom" comes close, but what about "Living at home/with Mom/with Parents," perhaps beyond a particular age? Does a woman want to date a guy who is 35 and still lives with his mother?

ill be 35  and i had to move back to my parents a while back due to my dad having health issues and i havent been able to get back out on my own yet   if someone wants to not date  me cuz of thatfine doesnt sound like someone i would want to share my life with anyway

[ZK]

81. Dirty Car ummm thats a problem?78. Whining  guilty as charged

77. Jorts & Japris  denim shorts are in fashion here (so either we're ahead of the world or more likely decades behind)
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72. Overly Creative Voice Mail . awww hell I love my voice mail

67. Can’t Throw Ball well I can it just never goes where I want it to

56. Bad Dancing yup thats me ! I put it down to genetics

54. Biker Shorts only when I cycle

38. Open-Mouth Breathing ummm how else am I supposed to breath

30. Wimpy Drinker does that mean I can't have a g and t? I mean I am gay after all

25. Bad Driver (Sissy/Rage)  ummm  does "if you can't drive you shouldn't be on the road " count

OMG I am staggered I never thought there'd be that many!! Now I know why I am dateless. Oh well now I admit the problems I am half way on the path of recovery? Hello my name is Matt and I am .....

[serious crayons]

I was reliable and safe (and neat and clean

And you don't wear Ed Hardy? 

[David In Indy]

99. Blue Tooth - as in computers? Hell, I don't even have ANYTHING Blue Tooth yet and it's already considered uncool. They must absolutely LOATH guys on dial-up.

96. Tanks & Sleeveless Ts - I think guys in tanktops look very sexy! It shows off their muscles!

95. Arm Wrestling In Public - yeah, that macho stuff in public is nothing more than showboating, but it can be sexy to watch sometimes.

94. “The Blank –STER” - I don't think I've ever met anyone who did that. I've only seen it done on TV. Must not be a Midwestern thing.

92. Quoting Lines From Movies - I love it when guys can do that!

91. Unfortunate Ties - my Dad once gave me a Halloween tie with ghosts, vampires, coffins and pumpkins on it. I've NEVER worn it in public! Well, once to work on Halloween.

88. The Flatulence Trifecta - Those Dutch Ovens are a complete turn-off.

83. Rearranging Junk / Butt Picking - Ewwww! Butt picking? Are you serious? I haven't seen anyone do that, I don't think!

79. Murses - Men have been carrying bags instead of wallets in most parts of the world for decades! It seems only the Americans have a problem with it. I think it looks rather sophisticated!

78. Whining - Yeah, whiners can be the shits. I don't mind it every once in a while though.

76. Air Guitar - I never did understand this "air guitar" stuff. They aren't playing ANYTHING! It looks rather bozo to me.

75. Boners - I love it when a guy pops a boner in my presence! lol

74. Fake Swearing - like "gosh" or "dagnabbit"? It doesn't bother me.

72. Overly Creative Voice Mail - not voice mail, but once we placed a "creative" message on our answering machine - "Hi! You'v reached David and Maury. We're not home right now.... well, either that or we just don't want to answer the phone".

68. Speaking In Cartoon Voice - I can immitate Donald Duck! People must like it because they are always asking me to do it! lol

64. Pitted Out Shirts - Ewww gross! Yeah, that would be pretty BAD!

63. Booya - Ever watch CNBC? There's a financial guy on there that says it all the time! It gets annoying.

62. Tap That / Hit That - I've also heard guys say "Hit that"

56. Bad Dancing - most gay guys are pretty good dancers. You generally run into this with the straight guys, who sometimes enjoy going to the gay bars and dancing with the gay guys.

55. Busting Out Porn Too Soon - Eww yucky!

51. “Moist” - What is that?

49. Crotch Grab - Yuck!

48. Holiday Sweaters - Aww! I think guys dressed in holiday sweaters (especially Christmas sweaters) look CUTE!

45. Penis Enlargement - pills are okay (I guess) but those devices are really yucky looking.

41. Getting Drunk On a Plane - A guy once passed out next to me on a plane and he had his hand on my leg! It "apparently" slipped off the armrest and onto my leg. I'm not sure if he did it on purpose or not, but I left it there because he was cute!  

36. Burping Loudly & Proudly - I hate that! They think it is funny or cool and there is nothing funny or cool about it.

32. Hairy Back, Neck & Nose - I am not into bears, so naturally I wouldn't like all that excess hair.

30. Wimpy Drinker - I drink cocktails all the time! lol

29. Double Demin - A Jack and Ennis type of thing? I like that!

28. Bicep & Calf Implants - They have bicep implants? And calf implants for that matter? Wow.

26. Speedos - I like Speedos! Do they still sell Speedos? They show off the junk.

25. Bad Driver (Sissy/Rage) - Angry drivers are annoying, but bad drivers can sometimes be cute! They try so hard and they just can't seem to do it! lol

23. Talking in Third Person - That reminds me of an episode from Seinfeld.

21. Moobs - Reminds me of ANOTHER episode from Seinfeld. Remember the "man bra"? haha!

20. Guy lights/ Dyeing Your Hair - No, I think that looks cute on guys most of the time.

19. Bringing Glove to A Game - Seems a bit excessive and unnecessary, but it is not a turn-off. I wouldn't ever do it though.

18. Tighty Whities - I wear those! White briefs! I often wear shorts that look like boxers (they are not though) when I am walking around inside the house with my shirt off, or under my robe.

16. Gross Nails - Yup! I don't like gross nails. Sometimes people cannot help it though, I guess. But sometimes they CAN!

14. Dirty Hair - I like nice, clean, shiny hair on a guy!

8.  Hocking Loogies - Ewww yeah, definately gross! And then they want you to kiss them in the mouth! Huh uh! Nope.

5.  Bustin’ a Sag - WHY are people dressing like that now? I think it looks horrible! I saw a guy the other day with his pant completely past his waist and off his ass. It was at the top of his legs. I don't know how he kept them up. And then they want to make certain you see their underwear, so they poof it waaaay out and hike their shirt up.

3.  Chewing Tobacco - That is DEFINATELY gross! I threw a party once and this guy was spitting his tobacco into a clear glass. It was completely full by the time he left and I almost got sick when I poured it out in the toilet. And I threw the glass away.

[Jeff Wrangler]

Maybe it's just an Australian thing, but I have never been without female company throughout my life. In fact, I would venture to say that it's usually been easier for me to get a "date" with a woman than a man. Not that I've been the one doing the asking. These women were more often than not happily married and always knew that I was gay. Often times they just needed a handbag to attend functions their husbands refused to attend, and they knew I was reliable and safe (and neat and clean - which often could not be said for their husbands).

Ah, but were they really "dates"? Ever hear the old gay joke: "Of course I know what a date is. That's the two or three hours before sex, right?"

[delalluvia]

Women, do you agree with the items here?

Naw, some aren't so bad.


100. Man Shakes

(elaborate hand shakes)

Frat-boyish and somewhat juvenile - yes even the Masons, but not a deal-breaker.

99. Blue Tooth

Not what you have, but the appropriateness of use.

98. Wrong Sheets

(cartoon characters and such)

Not a deal-breaker, but says a lot about the guy.

97. Mandanas

(bandana on the head)

Are they protecting their Jeri curls or are they actually using it as a fashion statement?  If they're punks or bohos, I can see dating a guy with one.

96. Tanks & Sleeveless Ts

As long as they are worn in appropriate times - hot weather activity - either mowing lawns, fixing cars or on the beach - otherwise, they're a no-no.

95. Arm Wrestling In Public

Do men do this?  

94. “The Blank –STER”

(Hi, I'm the Chuck-ster!)

Very immature, but unlikely to come out until a girl has invested some time in a guy, then of course, it's too late.  

93. Vanity Plates

("cutsey license plates)

What does it say?

89. Sports Cliches

Like what?

88. The Flatulence Trifecta

(Farting, naming them, giving a "Dutch Oven")

Disgusting, absolute deal breaker

86. Online TMI

(oversharing on Facebook and Twitter)

Absolutely.  Says much about the guy.  One woman recently wrote an article about a blind date she went on.  Nice, date, nothing to write home about, then she found him on Facebook, describing THEIR date which by his description didn't go at all the way it actually did.

83. Rearranging Junk / Butt Picking

Um, yeah.  Rearranging junk is permissible so long as it was a quick thing they had to do, not something they do often, which is just gross.  Butt picking? Absolute no from the get go.

79. Murses

(bags instead of wallets)

Never knew a guy who had one.

78. Whining

A lot?  Yes.

77. Jorts & Japris

(shorts and capris made of denim)

Yep, yep and yep.

76. Air Guitar

Awfully immature.  Save it for when you are alone, guy.

75. Boners

Context is everything.  If I go out on a date and find out I don't really like the guy or I'm turned off for some reason, the last thing I want is to have the guy show me he has a boner for me!  Yuck!!

71. Names For Breasts

("the girls", "fun bags", "the Wodner Twins")

A friend one time went home with a guy she picked up at a bar.  As I was driving them to his car, he called us 'chicks'.    I was like, "Mare, he called us chicks.  And you want to go with him?"

68. Speaking In Cartoon Voice

All the time?

65. Crocs

I love my crocs, why should I hold them against him?

64. Pitted Out Shirts

(old shirts that have sweat stains in the arm pit area)

Yep.

61. Playing Dungeons & Dragons

How fanatically?

60. Going Shirtless In Public

What does he look like?

58. Bling

(wearing too much jewelry at one time)

Yep.  What's he trying to prove?

56. Bad Dancing

I don't know any guys who Do dance well.

55. Busting Out Porn Too Soon

Yep.

54. Biker Shorts

Only if they have the body for it.

50. Leather Pants

Context?

49. Crotch Grab

Are they related to Michael Jackson?

47. Bad Table Manners

Yes.

50. Cut Off Shorts

Yes.

41. Getting Drunk On a Plane

Awful.

40. Disturbing Laugh

It really starts to grate after a while.

36. Burping Loudly & Proudly

Yes, along with armpit noises.  It wasn't funny when they were 6 years old, it's not funny now either.

33. Dad Jeans

 

32. Hairy Back, Neck & Nose

Yes, yes and yes.  Men can wax and shave and clip, just like women.  Keep it a secret guys, just like women and we'll never know - or want to know.

31. Eminem-Speak

Unless you like that kind of thing.

28. Bicep & Calf Implants

Yes, creepy and shows how insecure the guy is.

27. The Pregnant Man

 

26. Speedos

What's his body look like?

25. Bad Driver (Sissy/Rage)

(either a fearful driver, or angry driver)

YES!  Angry driver is a deal breaker for me.  Put up with it twice, never again.

18. Tighty Whities

The whole problem with these - and I can speak for a lot of women - is that guys who wear them, rarely keep them white and keep them so long, they're no longer tight.  Instead they're gray and saggy and probably pee-stained, and practically threadbare ("but they're comfortable!" is the usual whine, when we women complain).  

17. Bad Facial Hair

(untrimmed, bizarre styles)

If you can't do a full one, don't try.  Soul patches look like pubic hair that wandered north.

16. Gross Nails

Yes.  See gross toenails/feet as well.

15. Not Paying On First Date

They should at least offer.

14. Dirty Hair

Yep.

13. Fur Coats

Fur trimmed coats aren't bad.

12. Bald Denial

(comb overs, pony tails, toupees, hair plugs)

Godawful.

10. Creepily Into Mom

You won't win with these kinds of guys, cut your losses.

9.  Excessive Waxing

Of what?

8.  Hocking Loogies

Absolute deal breaker.

7.  Mandals with Socks

(men wearing sandals and socks)

Yep, gross all the way around.  Either shows bad taste or nasty foot problems.

5.  Bustin’ a Sag

(Wearing pants that hang way too low, so your underwear is showing)

Are they still 15 years old?

3.  Chewing Tobacco

As long as they clean their mouths well and keep the spit cup out of my sight and never do it in my presence, I don't have a problem.

2.  Talking About your Ex

Yep, guy is still having issues.  Cut your losses.

1.  The C-Word

Context?

[Jeff Wrangler]

18. Tighty Whities

The whole problem with these - and I can speak for a lot of women - is that guys who wear them, rarely keep them white and keep them so long, they're no longer tight.  Instead they're gray and saggy and probably pee-stained, and practically threadbare ("but they're comfortable!" is the usual whine, when we women complain).

Which is probably why more men's underwear is actually purchased by women.

I'm sure I read that somewhere. ... 

[Front-Ranger]

Ugly is in the eye of the beholder...I think Crocs are great! Of course they're made near Denver. I thought they were made of silicon or some such material.